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Why do you think that matters? My closing question was not addressed to Hood, it was adressed to @cake and the wider audience.
Because I’m not only interested in your closing question. I’m interested in the other 80% of your post that came before it. Are you going to make another attempt to defend the rest of the post, or have you now retreated the motte of defending only the part of it that didn’t make specific falsifiable claims?
The other 80% has fuck-all with who this guy is, only what he wrote. So why do you believe that your appeals to his alleged Bono Fides should change my assessment of his writing?
Let’s review the tape and see if that’s true.
That’s just one very clear example of how many claims you made about “what kind of guy Hood is.” And, as previously noted, it’s a totally bogus claim, because Hood did in fact move to a very white and very low-status state. Do you want me to pull all of the other claims and go over each of them in detail? And point out how they’re load-bearing elements of the argument you’re making? Or do you just want to take the L on this one?
Did he? I don't know, all I have is your word for it and you aren't exactly an unbiased source. The More interesting question from my perspective and more relevant to this discussion is "Has @cake? or "Have you?" and If not, why not?
Edit to add: Like I said above I'm not commenting on Hood's home life I'm commenting on his writing and the consumers thereof.
Nah, I’m not gonna do any more of your homework for you. If you actually had any interest in verifying the accuracy of any of the claims you were making, it would be very easy for you to research this yourself. You don’t, so you won’t. I’m not gonna continue to this exchange any longer. I have been very open about where I live, and about some of the terrible professional and educational decisions I made in my twenties which have made it more difficult for me to relocate to a more suburban lifestyle without simultaneously tanking my personal income in the process. I’m not rehashing any of that with you today.
And this sort of behavior is why I continue to maintain that White Nationalism as it currently exists within the continental US should not be taken seriously as an intellectual movement.
You came in spouting a bunch of bullshit clearly having only skimmed what I had wrote, and then you got angry at me for failing to immediately bend over backwards and cede the field to your superior Aryan intellect. Sorry buddy, but I am not under any obligation to make your arguments for you, or to make your life any easier. Either come correct or don't.
This is hysterical. You made a bunch of specific claims about the author, got refuted, and stuck your fingers in your ears. Just awful.
I have two things to say here:
You apparently created this account for the sole purpose of attacking @HlynkaCG because you really dislike him. Creating a throwaway account just to prosecute a grudge against one person is pretty petty. I am in no way giving @HlynkaCG favorable treatment here or trying to protect him, but when your only comments are attacking him specifically (and I have to manually approve your comments to let them out of the filter), well, probably next time I won't bother.
That said - @HlynkaCG, they're right. This is not speaking as a mod, so you are not being modded here, but speaking as a spectator who's more sympathetic to your POV on racial issues than @Hoffmeister25's, jesus, man, this is embarrassing. I award you the L and zero points. Do better.
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