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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 3, 2023

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... So this theory has to account for why these things are more first world than third.

At a basic level, third worlders simply don't have time for a lot of the progressive nonsense first worlders love to preoccupy themselves with. This kind of garbage you get out of the progressive wing, is only the kind of stuff you can afford to entertain in a fabulously wealthy country that has no real external threats or internal ailments of any kind. As used to be a saying in Catholicism, "idle hands are the Devil's playthings." When people have no real problems to contend with, they start creating them where none exist.

What are you referring to specifically when you're saying depopulation "goals?" We all know it's happening, but what are you saying is at the driving force of it? When I watch CNN for instance, and they're occasionally say something about the population, and then later something about the need to import further immigrants from third world countries to make up the difference, I see that as a byproduct of their fundamental political views (i.e. racial diversity is a good thing, I have no self-esteem, I need to pat myself on the back to feel good, etc.).

This is little more than a screed about "my enemies only believe these objectively dumb things because they're dumb and unselfaware." Arguing that progressivism is a luxury ideology is fine (lots of people have done that), but "I have no self-esteem, I need to pat myself on the back to feel good, etc." is not something you can simply ascribe without anything more than your feelings about it.

Clearly you hate progressivism with a burning passion, but just because someone genuinely believes in racial diversity doesn’t make it “garbage” or “bullshit” and doesn’t give you the right to psychoanalyze them all into having low self esteem.

I could just as easily say Christians believe in a benevolent god because they’re wealthy and don’t have to worry about real problems, and having a big sky daddy helps them with their low self esteem.

Less heat more light please.

I'm definitely not sympathetic progressivism's 21st century incarnation, for sure. Believe whatever you what about racial diversity, but shit logic that gets you there doesn't cease being shit, if it 'is' shit. I believe in racial diversity myself, but there's no denying there's a crucial self-esteem component to the motivation that underlies a 'lot' of what progressives do.

I deny it.

I see that as a byproduct of their fundamental political views (i.e. racial diversity is a good thing, I have no self-esteem, I need to pat myself on the back to feel good, etc.).

Their fundamental political views are downstream of an understanding that a growing population is necessary, and that you can’t have a first world population growing through natural multiplication without cutting back a bit on women’s lib(although I don’t think you have to cut back very much- the red tribe is at replacement and objectively their women are pretty free, even if the CNN crowd can’t acknowledge that for ideological reasons). Hence immigration, and a fig leaf that it’s preferred due to ‘diversity’.

The driving force behind depopulation goals is a substantial part of the world’s elites Unironically believing in malthusianism. That was the stated justification for India’s population control campaign, and it’s hard not to realize it’s the reason behind population control campaigns in Africa as well. And you’ll notice that actually happening population control campaigns are usually in developing world crapholes- where wealthy developed countries have a thumb on the fertility scales, it’s in favor of more fertility, often specifically out of wedlock births. Contrast that to government policies in, say, India or up until recently China. This does not look like anti-white-natalism.

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