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Quality Contributions Report for June 2023

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@George_E_Hale 's comment saying:

As a father myself twice over (both boys) I would say that there is nothing quite like it--you imbue them with the movies you grew up on, your music, your food tastes, your general approach to life, pretty much everything. They will no doubt eventually reject much of it, but there was nothing like that first time I sat my sons down and we all watched the 1963 version of Jason and the Argonauts and they asked to watch it again, eventually knowing the music as well as I do. There was the added benefit that they understood more of the Greek myths that I read to them when they were too young to know anything but sounds.

Made me genuinely sad, because my dad never managed to do the same with me. I struggle to think of a single interest we have any overlap on. I love him a lot of course, he's so hard working it's scary, and through those means he managed to go from a penniless refugee from genocide to being comfortably well off and highly respected by his peers. That came at the cost of atrophying his ability to form hobbies or do much of anything else, and I'm my mother's son, as she and I can relate to a much greater extent.

Oh well, I still look forward to fatherhood myself, and I can't imagine the inferential distance between me and my kids will be remotely as large, even if they're naturalized citizens while I'll always remain an immigrant at heart.

To be frank, my dad and I never had many overlapping interests, either. He was a big football fan, played it in high school. He had been a scoutmaster in his youth. I neither played football nor did he push me toward scouts. I liked watching movies. By the time I began watching them without him he had lost interest and thought movies were mostly silly. I liked reading books. He saw me reading a John Updike book once-- Brazil I believe, and this was the cover of the paperback edition I had. He scoffed and asked me if I really read novels. books like that (he was a type to judge a book by its cover.) My mom was an avid reader of romance novels so I guess he thought that's what it was. I don't know because I put it down out of shame and to this day still have never read it.

My point is I don't think I particularly was close to my dad, even in adulthood when I made efforts to be closer. Friends would come over and he would be garrulous, but once they left he'd sit with me in silence, seemingly completely uninterested. The main question he would ask when I'd come home to visit was "What's the price of gas in Japan?" Once he asked this twice on the ride from the airport. But that was years ago. He did seem to love his grandchildren--my boys. Though the fact that I married a Japanese woman I think always sat wrong with him. He at some point put me in a box that he felt he understood enough that he didn't need to think about it any more, and he closed up the box and that was that. Of course I could be wrong. Maybe that's what I did to him.

He died almost a year ago exactly (off by a few weeks as I write this.) I don't mean to get maudlin or personal, but anyway the way you were brought up doesn't have to be the way you bring up your own brood, should you have any later in life. At least, that's my thinking. My boys are still in the oven; not quite done yet, not quite grown. We'll see.

I'm sorry for your loss, and I'm glad you're trying to be closer and more understanding with your kids! It's perfectly possible to be a good father overall and fail at that particular kind of bonding, though it is slightly saddening, at least you learned from his small missteps.

I can only endeavor to do the same eventually, since my kids are too busy swimming to even go into the oven for a few years haha.

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