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Not really--but not in the way you're thinking. Believe it or not, I already have a pretty low opinion of extreme progressives. I'm throwing a flag because reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and claiming whites are "reversing the polarity" of 50s-era segregation is still objectively false. Even though the truth was much worse than I expected.
Clearly, in this case, I was too hasty. Normally, I try to be more clear that only a Sith deals in absolutes. I find it quite annoying when users throw out some random generalization about how the Other Team consists of degenerates and hypocrites. Especially when such generalizations are based on zero to one data points.
Here's another case where I wasn't careful enough. I wanted to convey that the OP was making unusually strong claims about toxicity, but in doing so, I doubted "anyone" would cop to it. What a blunder! Of course some jackass activist would say something close enough to the claim! And yet, I stuck around in that thread and made my position more clear. I'd like to think I make a point of doing that, of admitting I am wrong.
The frustrating thing here is that it sounded like you're giving an example of what constitute a "reversed polarity", only to follow up with "it's still objectively false" when the exact criteria from your example are met. If thus doesn't change your mind, what would?
Because I was complaining about magnitude more than the direction.
Hydro was correct that "actual discrimination against nonwhites has taken a nosedive." I recognize that (state) discrimination against whites has gotten more socially acceptable. This is a strong example. It is also orders of magnitude weaker than Jim Crow. It's like using "literal genocide" in trans politics: suicide is not the same as mass murder.
Neo-segregated schools are more common than I'd thought possible. I managed to live my whole life in South Carolina, Texas, and Oklahoma, without running into the idea. Yeah, it was naïve of me. That wasn't possible for segregated bathrooms, water fountains, train cars, building entrances.
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Then why did he give that very specific example of what would constitute reversed polarity? Why did he claim that's something the ACLU would act on? He could have just made the argument about the treatment of black people under Jim Crow.
Also, the problem is that segregation is taught to be a massive moral horror in itself. What's more, that's a stance I agree with. If progressives want to say "racial discrimination is fine, actually, as long as everyone's treated fairly", or " we actually always supported 'separate but equal'", we can discuss it from there, but they do actually have to say it, not hide in the statements implications while maintaining plausible deniability.
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A related question - do examples like these (where apparently prestigious or large institutions have something batshit going on) change your calculus on progressive power?
I think I share the basic intuition that most people, even quite left-leaning, aren’t actually insane, and are quite reasonable in discussion. But I think I depart from your viewpoint in that I think there are a lot more people that just regurgitate progressive shibboleths without really thinking it through (as I know quite a few, and I’m not even in the US!), who moderate their internal opinions if they are given a chance to actually review what they say; and that I’m not incredibly surprised by incidents like the above happening, because the insane wing of the movement has shown itself to be able to punch way above its weight in various ways.
(For what it is worth, my read is that this well of power and - to borrow a word - privilege is running increasingly low now, and it was never to a point where the ideological capture threatened the entirety of society - just the most obnoxiously vocal parts.)
I suppose what I’m asking is - what are you continuously surprised by?
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You do this a lot, particularly lately. I occasionally disagree with your pushback, but in every case I can recall, your pushback has been much, much closer to the truth and/or more reasonable than the people you've responded to. I'd imagine it's fairly thankless work, but I appreciate it quite a bit.
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