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Could someone give me a list of good classical music written in the last 70 years?
For choir music the most accessible and famous modern composer is probably Eric Whitacre.
You could try Sleep or Lux Aurumque to see if it's your cup of tea.
I feel like your time period is perhaps a bit too wide as many good classical composers still lived and produced in the 50s-60s and suggestions might therefore mislead you a bit if you're looking for modern composers.
Also, composers of what? Orchestral? Chamber? Choral? Operas? Ballets?
Edit: @fuckduck9000 i thought I'd add a two more recommendations:
Morten Lauridsen:
Example work: O magnum mysterium (1994)
Ola Gjeilo:
Example work: Tota Pulchra Es (2009)
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Shostakovich was still alive for the first 20 or so of those years. His eighth string quartet, from 1960, stands out.
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Names to consider off the top of my head...
John Williams, obviously.
Michael Giacchino, you probably haven't heard of him but the score for the Incredibles was fucking incredible and he's been a solid name on the Hollywood soundtrack scene since.
Koji Kondo, between the main themes for Mario, Zelda, and Metroid Kondo is another dude many know but have never heard of.
James Horner, turns out "discount John Williams" is still pretty damn good, See Terminator, Apollo 13, Saving Private Ryan, et al.
Basil Poludoris, his work is kind of uneven but Anvil of Crom, Red Dawn, and Klendathu Drop are all underrated masterpieces CMV.
Hans Zimmer, the more you listen to him the more you realize he's only got one trick, fortunately it's a solid trick
Good, good. Something similar to the Köln Concert would also do, if anyone has suggestions.
It occurs to me that if we're going back 70 years we ought to include Jerry Goldsmith and Miklos Rosas as well. I was thinking "recent" as in stuff that had come out within my lifetime but that's actually cutting the window ~25 years short.
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Try John Adams, his works are used extensively in the soundtrack of the computer game Civilization 4. In particular The People are the Heroes Now from the opera Nixon in China, Chairman Dances or Shaker Loops.
For a more avant-garde (and repetitive) sound there is Philip Glass: Runaway Horses from the A Life in Four Chapters movie soundtrack, Pruitt Igoe from Koyaanisqatsi movie soundtrack, or the opera Einstein on the Beach.
Yeah Hallelujah Junction and Life in the mountains are favourites. But I thought maybe as a movie-goer I was missing an entire iceberg of music that only people who regularly go to classical concerts know, but apparently film scores are it.
There exists, but I didn't want to recommend something I personally don't like. Putting that aside, there are György Ligeti and Karlheinz Stockhausen, maybe you will find them to your taste.
Thank you. But what the shit? My ears are not that sophisticated.
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Might be cheating because many of the themes are from earlier works but the Star Wars theme is probably the most popular classical work from that era.
I like film scores, sure, Zimmer, Burwell, Williams, Glass, Tiersen, Morricone, but is there nothing more?
Yes, a lot, but none very well known.
If you find them worth listening to, I'd like to hear them.
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What does ChatGPT say?
Here's what it gave me, in case anyone's interested.
Bing:
I'm not sure if it recognized my location and thus gave me two Finnish composers (Saariaho and Salonen) or if it would have done it nevertheless.
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Giving machines the silent treatment is my petty contribution to luddism.
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