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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 13, 2023

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I'm not sure why the center-right part is important, are you not interested in solutions that would also please the left?

Among many other schemes already mentioned, I would try and facilitate surrogacy tourism/immigration.

If foreign women sign a surrogacy/reproduction contract with a citizen, they are granted citizenship and subsidies. We could also cut red tape around live-in nannies to make it easier for these women to live with their clients. Presumably these women can also offer low-skill labour, and could become nannies or cheap child-care workers. Cutting the red-tape around these contracts would also be great, it would be nice if middle-class couples/individuals could just find a surrogate using a simple friction-less online-matching service.

I've shared this idea with people, it sickens leftists to think of the inequality these women experience. It sickens conservatives to think how strange the family changes around this new opportunity. Personally, in accordance with libertarian philosophy, I think giving people additional opportunities is generally a good thing. However I feel bad for the foreign men who can't immigrate because they don't have wombs. Also, I suppose womb-draining low-income countries would qualify as eugenics.

I'm not sure why the center-right part is important, are you not interested in solutions that would also please the left?

I think the intent is to find solutions which aren't the obvious "mass immigration" one currently being used.

That wouldn't solve fertility really, it'd just fix the demographic problem

Unless the immigrants maintain their much higher birth rates. I don’t know if this is historically the case or not.

At least in the US it’s not. Historically the only groups that have resisted assimilation into mainstream US culture have been religious.

Also, I suppose womb-draining low-income countries would qualify as eugenics.

The likelihood is that this scheme would lower the average IQ in both the host and donor nations.

Why do you think it would impact the host nation?

Do we have evidence to suggest the surrogate's IQ is important in determining the child's IQ? These surrogates would certainly be less conscious of detrimental factors like smoking and drinking, but that's what contracts are for. Even better if they're closely monitored by their clients.

Lower income nations have (on average) lower average IQs than high income nations. Adding surrogates from, say, Somalia, would tend to lower the average IQ in Norway.

That's correct, but if these women are birthing at least one child according to my scheme, that child would eventually have an IQ higher than the host nation average (because clients would be upper/middle class). Many of these women would get multiple contracts or contracts for twins, so I would think it would actually raise the mean IQ of the host nation.

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