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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 14, 2025

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You are crossing the line between "Source?" and personal antagonism.

There are very few things I can think of that would make it illegal to own a gun in every state beyond the status of being a violent felon.

Like I literally just double checked with Chatgpt and the groups it gave me

  1. Felony Convicts

  2. People Convicted of Domestic Violence Misdemeanors

  3. People Subject to Domestic Violence Protective Orders

  4. Fugitives from Justice

  5. Drug Addicts and Users

  6. People with Certain Mental Health Conditions

  7. Illegal Immigrants

  8. People Dishonorably Discharged from the Military

  9. People Who Renounce U.S. Citizenship

  10. People Under Age 18 (for certain firearms)

  11. People Who Are Under Criminal Investigation

Nevertheless, I still cannot lawfully get a gun in my home state of New Jersey or any other state,

And that's what he said. So they're presumably a felon (particularly a violent felon since state laws tend to be less forgiving of that for gun ownership), done domestic violence, a fugitive of justice, under 18 or one of those other groups. Either that, or there's a category I'm not aware of/he's lying about not being able to get a gun in any other state.

Whichever one of these categories he is in, I think it's a fair thing to hope he can understand why society even in the pro gun states isn't particularly wanting felons, domestic abusers, the insane, etc to be owning firearms.

I already posted a response to you, clarifying that New Jersey's requirements are stricter than those of other states, and The_Nybbler falls afoul of those unreasonable requirements.

They specifically said

Nevertheless, I still cannot lawfully get a gun in my home state of New Jersey or any other state,

He might run afoul of New Jersey's other requirements but per his own words, he also seems to run afoul of all other states as well. Thus he likely falls into one of those categories such as an illegal immigrant, minor under 12, felon, etc.

Edit: And while it is possible he misspoke, there is no magical way I can know this. Those groups make up a sizable portion of the US's population when put together, there's a decent chance any random on the internet falls into one of them, it's not like it would be a rare event to be immediately suspicious of.

Federal law generally prohibits the purchase of firearms from (a resident of) a state other than the state of residence. While there are some states with 'neighbor' carveouts, but to quote the ATF's website:

... a licensee may sell a rifle or shotgun to a person who is not a resident of the state where the licensee’s business premises is located in an over–the–counter transaction, provided the transaction complies with state law in the state where the licensee is located and in the state where the purchaser resides.

New Jersey's state law closes off that exception as a category:

In order for this transaction to be legal, it must go through a federally licensed firearms dealer (FFL) in the State that the purchaser/receiver resides in. In New Jersey that means a firearm must be transported or shipped directly to the State licensed retail firearms dealer.

Yes, Nybbler could theoretically leave the entire state and establish residency elsewhere. I'm skeptical this is the sort of requirement we'd accept for any other right.

And while it is possible he misspoke, there is no magical way I can know this.

That's fair had he mispoke, but you could also try to do a Google.

That answers the question quite well then if that's what was meant. Had no idea about such a restriction.