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Yeah, if you fill out your documentation wrong, it causes it to be denied. That's hardly the kind of error we're talking about
You mean removing people to a country for which they had a legally binding order withholding removal.
That's not a "step in the paperwork" kind of mistake.
Are you seriously quoting some left wing boogeyman that 1/25 executions being of the innocent? That's absurd enough not to even merit further investigation.
The withholding order was literally a bureaucratic technicality. It should have been removed before deportation as a matter of procedure, but it wasn't. The withholding order was based on threats that no longer exist. If it had been removed first, then the ONLY substantive difference between the present situation and the one where the government didn't make the error is that maybe Garcia's deportation to El Salvador would have been briefly delayed. Somehow I don't think that would satisfy critics. Neither does this error, which was rather peculiar to Garcia's cirumstances, set any kind of dangerous precedent that applies to other people, and certainly not citizens.
The only real argument here is that it the US is essentially outsourcing its prison sentence to El Salvador, and this means they can send people to a prison in another country without charging or convicting them of any crime. While this probably does not violate any law, it is very much against the spirit of the justice system and due process. The Trump administration can wash its hands of responsibility and say that they're just sending these people to El Salvador, and it's all on El Salvador to decide what to do with them from there. However, we all know the actual arrangement; we know they are for all practical purposes being sent to prison by ICE.
All that said, I don't really care, Marge. The treasonous failure to secure the border for almost my entire adult life, the literal conspiracy to import as many people as possible, resulting in millions of illegals and quasi-legals fundamentally warping and perverting the economy and culture of the country, is a far greater wrong. Unfortunately, the scale of this problem is so huge that only swift and aggressive action can possibly address it, and so there will likely be many more edge cases, errors, and happy little accidents. Personally, I'm okay with that. It's priced in. For this, I blame the people who created the problem in the first place, not the people who are now trying to fix it.
Sure. And the only difference between executing Tim McVeigh in 1997 after his conviction instead of 1995 after his arrest was a delay. It's not like there was any chance of him being acquitted.
This claim is probably true, but it doesn't matter because that argument was never actually brought up.
That is not the only real argument.
I think you are going to quickly find that there are between 0-2 votes on the Supreme Court for that, and that the only way to actually tackle the problem is to have a competent and diligent program of enforcement. One that I have consistently been in favor of (which is a nice thing about posting histories) for years before this administration decided to do it in a spectacular incompetent fashion.
What folks like you fail to comprehend is that trying to achieve a goal incompetently is not directionally correct -- by negative association is makes the goal even further away. You are just delaying (if not destroying) any ability to actually reckon with the scale of illegal and temporary immigrants.
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Yeah, it is. There's a process for removing that order based on obviously changed relevant facts. AIUI, it doesn't even require a judge. The basis for his withholding order was no longer valid. Ergo, it's a step in the paperwork.
I mean, the IRS can look at my tax paperwork and begin enforcement proceedings against me. That doesn't require a judge either (until I take them to tax court).
That doesn't imply that they can just freeze my bank accounts while skipping that step. The step is important, even if it wouldn't change the outcome in this specific case.
A better analogy: You are committing tax fraud. The IRS catches you. They apply a totally legal and 100% justified garnishment of your wages, and then afterwards discover that they missed a piece of paperwork they were supposed to sign making sure you didn't have prior mandated child support obligation.... which you don't have.
I simply don't believe you are holding this position in good faith. If the sacred processes are so important to you, then go up thread at rip the NY governor a new asshole.
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