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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 31, 2025

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I don't see how "you can carry a weapon" would come off as significantly less civilized to Canadians than "police can beat you up because they deem you a socially acceptable target (and socially acceptable targets include the homeless)".

To me the difference is imminently obvious:

  • I can't start beating up or threatening people I find unpleasant. Dangerous? Threatening me with a polearm? Yes. Unpleasant? No. Most of the Vancouver's homeless are unpleasant, but as others pointed out, they are more of a nuissance. I just don't see the utility of a gun when someone is shitting on a sidewalk.
  • Police, on the other hand, have the authority to stop the shittening, the Methland invasions but their most important power is to shape the society in a way, where people will think twice before shooting up in the first place.

The catch is that the nuiscance stage is only the beginning of backsliding. Police has the unique opportunity to stop the freefall into the nightmare stage. You think about dealing with the nightmare stage, where crime is through the roof and you need to defend yourself, I think about how we can prevent it.

We just came off of two years of police being allowed and encouraged to mace grandmas for not wearing masks at the beach. Do you really not see how that works? And isn't the entire leftist theory about the police that they are "descended from slave-catchers" and only exist to oppress acceptable targets?

Because carrying a weapon is done by an individual -- i.e. those civilization are intended to keep down -- and the police beating up people is done by the authorities -- i.e. representatives of civilization.