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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 14, 2022

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Religions, however, do not admit or accept this. As far as they are concerned, there is an objective moral standard and everyone is obligated to follow it.

You think Wokism doesn't have this feature?

As I said, it and other non-religious ideologies try to dodge the question, but they are ultimately relying on an axiom or axioms somewhere, and all of them are humanly chosen. I think they may try to hide the fact that human-chosen axioms require the bearer to be more humble about how certain they are, but a rational believer would recognize this and adjust accordingly. I don't think religion requires the same humility. Why would it, most of them tell you that you and everyone who agrees with you is correct on one of the most important questions of all time.

ideologies cannot refuse the charge that their axioms are ultimately arbitrary.

They can absolutely do this. The whole reason postmodernism and critical theory were invented was to get around having to defend anything properly. Wokism posits that blacks are holy. Push them on why this should be and you will eventually get an answer roughly equivalent to "God said so," plus they will be very upset.

Sure, if you want to be pedantic, then they can refuse to acknowledge what they're doing. I'd call them out as irrational at best and liars at worst. My point is that they don't have the ability, like religion, to claim that their morality is objectively true because a divine and superhuman being gave it to them.

Wokism posits that blacks are holy. Push them on why this should be and you will eventually get an answer roughly equivalent to "God said so," plus they will be very upset.

This is an irrelevant point, one that I already addressed. Yes, it's true that they masquerade on this point as if they are religious in nature, but they fundamentally are not. They do not justify their beliefs with reference to God(s) for the most part, though you can certainly find religious progressives who one might argue are misled about what their own faith compels them to believe.

Equality and fairness are their gods.

This is meaningless and suggests you're more interested in scoring anti-woke points instead of actually grasping my argument. You know damn well they do not engage in worship of a god like Christianity, Hinduism, or Islam do.

You have been posting a lot of naked assertions that consist of little more than weakman sneering.

You actually need to argue things here. You don't get to just assert them. You don't get to just wage culture war. You also need to be civil.

You've been warned about this before, and you're filling the mod queue with these sorts of low-effort "boo wokes, blacks bad," etc.

Heed this warning.

No, it doesn’t. They will be very upset because you’re strawmanning.

Can you give any examples?

Yes!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Lives_Matter_street_murals

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/okay-to-be-white-halifax-1.4887174

I promise this is not meant to be a low effort sneer. The treatment of these two slogans only makes sense if they are religious icons and heresy, respectively.

We make public statements, even murals, for things other than religious icons. Is New Deal art religious? Is everything funded by the National Endowment for the Arts?? I could see a case for the Lincoln memorial bordering on religious, but what about the Washington monument? The Capitol proper? These are big artistic projects explicitly symbolizing our culture—but they remain firmly in the realm of the secular.

The same applies for unappealing speech. It’s a much broader category than heresy. You could replace those posters with pornography, slander, even proselytizing and see a similar article. Offending/intriguing the public enough to get a news article does not require a religious schism.

Yeah, but ignoring the ideological significance of art for a second, people do not get nearly as upset when regular art (especially low effort stuff) is besmirched or even vandalized. Can you imagine the police investigating some tire marks on a crosswalk, were it not a religious symbol? The same thing has happened with BLM logos as well.

Consider that the slogan "black lives matter," was painted by the government (or sanctioned) in huge letters on countless prominent streets in America. Then consider that the nearly identical but less assertive "it's ok to be white" on 8x11 sheets of paper launched police investigations and news articles about how racists are among us.

Yes, there is a double standard, and I'm not trying to argue that people feel the same about black and white identity politics. What's that got to do with the religious character of a belief?

Look, if you swapped out the 8x11s for glossy photos of someone's asshole, regardless of race, I'd expect people to get upset, launch investigations and write news articles. Does that make obscene pictures religious? There are perfectly secular reasons to notice and be concerned about them. In the case of the "ok to be white" posters, maybe those reasons are dumb/inconsistent. It doesn't mean they're religious.

Here's some quotes from one of the many "it's ok to be white" incidents

Masked men spotted downtown, alarming passersby

A group of men wearing identical white masks stapled posters with the slogan "It's okay to be white," on poles throughout downtown Halifax on Wednesday night, sparking concerns of racism.

Jody Corkum had just finished his dinner at a Barrington Street restaurant when he saw "four or five" men in masks and dark clothing. At first he thought they were Halloween revellers.

"But they're posting stuff along the way as they're walking down the street," he said. "When I looked at the poster… it says 'It's okay to be white.'"

He found the message disturbing for its "undertones" of racial intolerance.

'Shocked and disgusted'

Chad Simmons said he and his girlfriend were "shocked and disgusted" when they encountered the group at about 6:30 p.m. AT near Barrington and Sackville streets.

"They were talking amongst themselves and laughing," he said.

"We followed them for a few blocks, tearing down the signs as we went. I think at one point they noticed but they did not say anything. I was not trying to hide at all."

He saw the act as "attacking the community in my home city."

The whole thing is like this. Similar coverage does not exist for pictures of buttholes.

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