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I dunno, I would rather my side wins battles rather than constantly loses them while “fighting fair” against an opponent who refuses to even entertain the idea.
Truth matters in pragmatic affairs science, or from purely philosophical perspective - but it has never mattered in politics. Nope, not ever. This is perhaps the one area postmodernists get it right, in the struggle for power in the political arena, the winners get to tell you what the truth is.
The way I would put it is that there is a correct way to do things, but the people who believe in it were lulled into a false understanding of the world and exploited by the unscrupulous. By the time enough of them woke up to do anything about it the game had already been thoroughly rigged against them, so they were forced to turn to the unscrupulous to fend them off.
I would then go on to say that that through something like deus ex machina, they somehow managed to get Trump. And that his deceptions are red tribe styled not blue tribe and that's essentially what this disagreement is about.
But I left that off the first bit because then the first bit is easier to agree with. Because that's how little effort it takes to influence people if you know what you are doing, and for all their faults the media does know how to influence people.
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