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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 10, 2025

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If so the only logical response would be to dramatically increase the scrutiny applied to granting of permanent resident status. It is unacceptable that we would be required to import people who seek to destroy us.

If so the only logical response would be to dramatically increase the scrutiny applied to granting of permanent resident status. It is unacceptable that we would be required to import people who seek to destroy us.

Us? He's protesting against Israel, not the US. Those are two separate countries, and the Israelis have done objectively more harm to the US and US interests than the Palestinians ever have. How many US navy ships have been bombed by Palestinian fighter jets?

Even granting that in this specific case the subject in question is not broadly anti-American, the principle being proposed - that permanent residents cannot have their status revoked for any free speech activity, even including explicit subversion and undermining of our own policy - is so broad as to make vetting earlier in the process much more important.

Even granting that in this specific case the subject in question is not broadly anti-American

In this case he's actually pro-American - American interests are hurt by your entanglement with Israel and the various blackmail/influence operations they run (ever hear about why the Monica Lewinsky affair happened?), but sure.

that permanent residents cannot have their status revoked for any free speech activity, even including explicit subversion and undermining of our own policy

Yes, this is actually a good thing. Free speech is good and if your policy can't stand up to criticism then it deserves to be criticised. Mahmoud does not have magical powers which mean that his protests against the genocide of his people make American policy less effective - what you're actually saying here is that American policy is so weak, fragile and ineffective that it cannot withstand even the mildest of criticism. You're claiming that the entire US foreign policy establishment is effectively an emperor with no clothes, and that's so much worse than the possibility that someone who is only a mere permanent resident can criticise government policy that I can't understand your position here.

How many US navy ships have been bombed by Palestinian fighter jets?

None, which is a problem. Some of the USs closest allies are those who we've attacked and invaded and have done the same to us.

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