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The problem here is that I listened to that speech. There was nothing angry or unpleasant about it. In fact, it was one of the most refreshing public addresses I've seen in my memory. Is English your friends' second language? Do they have any understanding of American culture at all? Debate club? It was lightyears away from that - simple, direct language, delivered clearly. A real message from a politician instead of the same endless fucking vapid platitudes about democracy while jailing people for "hate speech".
Ok. Fine. Yes, it's far away. Let's pretend I haven't seen the visceral footage of men disemboweled, flayed alive, and burning in the fields of Ukraine. If it's so real, why can virtually no countries in Europe maintain their commitments to NATO spending? Is it perhaps because they're busy gloating about how morally superior their welfare state is while it's endlessly subsidized by the US of A?
I actually don't think Zelensky meant for this to pop off the way it did. It was uncomfortable to watch aggression and dominance toward a man who (to me) seems to be trying to keep his country and people from annihilation.
But I don't see how the established rules of the Lilberal International Order benefit the American taxpayer. I'm tired of watching my children's future being sold while being sneered at. If it takes someone as uncouth as Trump to man the Bailey while Vance stays in the Motte, then it is what it is.
Re Zelensky I have a different take. Marco Rubio complained recently that they had what they thought were agreements with Ukraine only for Zelensky to say something totally different to the media a couple of days later.
I think the Trump administration believed they had a framework with Ukraine to end the war — there would be a cease fire, and there would be a soft American guarantee via this rare earth deal but not a hard one.
Zelensky multiple times throughout the process indicated he wanted to with renewed support kick out Russia. When he responded to Vance’s criticism of Biden with saying we can’t do a cease fire with Putin because he will break his word Zelensky was confirming that he wasn’t agreeing with the framework that I think the Trump admin thought Ukraine agreed with hence Vance’s statement re litigating to the media (the same issue Rubio had).
So I think the Trump admin was simply pissed that they felt again Zelensky was welching on a private deal.
I also think the press conference proved to the Trump admin their fears are correct. Namely they are concerned Zelensky will armed with a guarantee try to provoke Russia into an altercation and then demand action by the Americans citing the guarantee in the hopes of regaining their lost territory. If you read Trump’s comments closet this is his concern.
And honestly given the history here, it isn’t unreasonable to believe Zelensky would try to antagonize Russia. The pre war boundaries of Ukraine weren’t natural. It was arbitrary lines drawn on a map with two peoples (more if you include the Hungarians). The Russian minority has faced persecution by the Kiev government and Ukrainian nationalists while at the same time Russia has helped to incite tensions. That is, no one has clean hands here. Zelensky focused on Russia’s untrustworthy actions (true) while ignoring Ukraine’s untrustworthy actions and historic goals re the Donbas and Crimea.
In short, Trump isn’t willing to give a security guarantee because he doesn’t trust either side here. But he was willing to more intertwine Ukrainian and US interests which creates some degree of strategic ambiguity that would help Ukraine without pre committing the US. And Trump realized that Zelensky isn’t really interested in that deal which I think they felt they had hammered out. And that pissed off Trump (who honestly does seem to want to end the war for both humanitarian reasons and economic ones).
Three peoples. Galicians have never had their own state and they're big into Ukr nationalism, but they're not the same as central Ukrainians. Add Hungarians and Tatars and there probably isn't a way to make it not arbitrary.
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The "virtually no countries" is completely not true. The European defense spending have been rising rapidly even before Trump came to office. Only a handful of NATO members do not spend 2% GDP and the number of allies exceeding the limit crossed 23 in 2004. There are now a few countries that spend more than US without having global ambitions and open ocean navies.
While I always appreciate being corrected, you're arguing about a detail in my language about the countries themselves instead of NATO in aggregate. From your link:
So, put another way: Trump demanded they start pulling their weight 8 years ago, but they're still not hitting the 2% / GDP target, despite an active, major war in their neighborhood they supposedly care deeply about (?!?).
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