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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 24, 2025

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Again, are you American? Could you hold trump accountable even for a second for being a pathetic putin fan ? The whole thing was planned. You don't bring an ally that has been in a 3 year war to protect your interests as well and treat him like that. Can you guys not see that?

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If I were president in 1992 I'd have unilaterally unwound NATO and pursued an alliance with Russia.

I have staunchly opposed the Ukraine war because I've firmly believed the only two results from this are world war 3 or Russia pulls Ukraine back into it's sphere. Ukraine has never been not worth WWIII.

Tbh, I'd prefer Putin to rule all of Europe because I don't think he's as likely as the current governments to let Rotterdams happen.

Do you mean Rotherham?

Ukraine is not an ally of the US. We have entered no treaty as such and have no obligations. We have shipped them armaments to the tune of 100-250 billion dollars out of mutual interest. If the US is attacked by Canada today, tomorrow, or ten years from now, Ukraine is not sending troops, arms, or aid. Ukraine is not entitled to our money.

Russia is a hostile nation, a rogue state, and our geopolitical adversary, but it is not our enemy. We are not at war with Russia and owning Putin is not our goal.

Our actual European allies, NATO or otherwise, are not entitled to our money on behalf of the defense of Ukraine. If Europe wants to indefinitely fund a stalemate, go for it, but fund it too well and risk a nuclear war. Just because we have crossed 5 red lines with no consequence doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Yes they are. An ally is not only an ally if they send you troops when you are attacked. Will Israel send troops if you are attacked? Yet your president ( and me too ) think Israel is an ally of the US. In fact by your very basic analysis of what ally means the US has no real allies. You support them because it's objectively in your interest to support them because you are part of NATO and NATO countries border russia who has imperialist designs on them. Pretty clear right?

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Israel may not be one of them, but for many allied nations, including NATO, they would have a legal treaty obligation to send troops to devend the US if attacked. Whether they actually would is a different question but they have agreed to it.

I'm not American, but I understand realpolitik.

Trump could be the most pro-slavophile Manchurian agent, literally handpicked by the FSB to bring down America from within, and it still wouldn't matter - he's the American president. He holds the fate of not only Ukraine, but of many nations in his whim. When you're a leader of a nation, when you hold the welfare of millions of your countrymen with your every action you do whatever is necessary to ensure their prosperity and happiness. And that includes winning over the leaders of foreign nations, even if you don't like them. Especially if they're more powerful than you.

Zelensky makes the mistake of thinking he is the equal of the US president. He's not. He's the leader of some backwards Eastern European state that most Americans couldn't point to on a map, even after two years bombarded on the news. And not only that, he's coming hat in hand to ask for blood and treasure - He's asking for an American security guarantee. Trump can get away with humiliating the Europeans because he has the hard power to do it. Zelensky - and Ukraine by proxy - cannot afford to morally grandstand for the Europeans when his nation's very existance is at stake. The strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must.

Clearly you don't understand realpolitik as well as you think. Embarassing an ally by speaking to him like that is not something you can get away with and I struggle to see why you think so, especially when you are clearly licking the boot of the enemy to do it . This isn't high school . America's standing in the world is already starting to erode and I hope it erodes faster and more decisively going forward.

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You keep referring to Russia as the enemy when the voters who put Trump in power view DC and EU elite with significantly more disdain than they do Putin. No Russian ever called me cishet white male.

"He can't keep getting away with it..!"

Yes. Yes he can. He's the President of the United States.

There is a word for this. Arrogance. I can't even comprehend the level of arrogance you are showing. Pretty disgusting.

The whole thing was planned

Planned by whom?

By trump and vance. They pressured zelensky with nonsense until he either had to completely bow down or speak up. Of course he reacted to the vitriol spewed against him like any serious person. So either trump and vance are clueless narcissists (possible) or they had this planned.

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