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I'm on board with returning to Mount McKinley - big fan of mountains having Mount in their name in the first place, Denali could be anything (as someone else said, it sounds more like a festival than it does a mountain). I'd be okay with Mount Denali but there was no good reason to rename it to just Denali imo.
Gulf of America is dumb. It's not returning to the previous name, like Mount McKinley - it's been the Gulf of Mexico since the birth of the nation. And more importantly, it doesn't flow as well imo. The Gulf of Mexico even describes it much better, seeing as it encompasses so much of the Mexican coastline compared to American. Seems like an unnecessary and counterintuitive change.
I agree with you, McKinley rename good, “Gulf of America” dumb, freedom fries, etc.
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Wait, I always thought that it was changed to Mt. Denali, or Denali Mountain, or something.
Nope, they went to just Denali. Which doesn't give much insight into what Denali is, considering I'd put conversational knowledge of the particular Inuit language it's called that in at... what, .001% of Americans?
Koyukon Athabaskan, not Inuit. It's related to Navajo.
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