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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 13, 2025

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Yah I found it bizarre how a week ago it was “RedBook” and now it’s “RedNote”.

My gf is pissed because all her content got replaced by ugly selfies from Americans.

As am I. RedNote used to be really nice for finding hidden spots while traveling or getting a general Chinese sense of things. Now it's all "Hello from America, please teach me Chinese."

To me this is just a microcosm. Foreigners (in this case, literally) coming into our community and not only not integrating into our culture, but actively destroying it. A quite delectable piece of irony.

Wait why are tiktokers going to rednote? AFAIK instagram has virtually identical functionality if desired. Why rednote?

I saw someone say that the Instagram reels algo pushes more polished and professional videos compared to the more casual and viral style of tik tok. (I've never used any of them myself).

Presumably as a middle finger to the government for banning TikTok.

It wouldn't surprise me if TikTok had started pushing content suggesting it, but that's a pure guess.

I haven't yet seen an explanation for why, either. Maybe the meme about TikTok being a foreign influence vector was precisely the motivation for people seeking out a more obviously-Chinese app? RedNote has been flooded with left-leaning Western users whose brand of leftism is alien and even dangerous to China's brand of leftism.

That's another thing that I've found quite amusing during this whole thing. The West, by and large, have no idea how "based" China truly is. It's always quite funny to me (China born Chinese living in California) when I hear the people here talk because they really have no clue how far they are from the norm in the rest of the world (or at least from China, which is much closer to the rest of the world than these people are.) Most Chinese people fucking hate gays. Most Chinese people absolutely fucking hate Indians (Although Westerners are coming around on this one). Most Chinese people don't even have a conception of transgenderism in the same way Westerners do.

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