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Female promiscuity is harmful because it rewards only the very high status and thus others can't have families. Such a society would fall immediately and be very unstable. The US today or any place that's not under extremely strict Islam has seen a rise of incels due to it.
Our society, religion and psychological outlooks to it have a lot to do with this.
It’s extremely difficult to prove causation even if there was correlation here.
It could be modernity, or the million other things that have changed, it could even be the other way around: in the 60s, 70s and 80s promiscuity was celebrated and people had more sex, now with these sexual hangups, we see the rise in sexlessness.
Personally I think the lack of sex is more due to quality porn and entertainment and general ‘lack of needing others’. Men don’t need women to fulfill their sexual urges, women don’t need men to provide for them anymore, it’s way less boring to stay alone in your room than it used to be, and so on.
The Rise of The Incels sounds like a fantasy, whatever instability there is in the west does not come from incels, who seem more pacified with each porn-induced orgasm, a well-known soporific. By contrast, you imply the islamic world’s sexual restrictiveness has made it stable? I would dispute that.
Everything else aside, I just don’t like infringing on individual liberties, consenting adults and all that. I don’t think there was someone I forgot to ask.
I humbly disagree, if you can get sex as a woman from a guy you like and that's going to be the small minority of guys, without social structures then no one will want to marry. Most dudes are unattractive to be begin with which is why we have more female ancestors than male. On top of that bioleninism puts status in the hand of others besides males.
Porn undoubtedly is a reason though. I personally am not a total degen but also not a total religious nut in terms of promiscuity though I'd lean towards a society with more restrictions.
Islam wasn't alone, women didn't get emancipation anywhere in the world, I'm not arguing for rollbacks of it here but Islamic faith doesn't take it seriously. We can't go back to it even if I were arguing for it which I'm not. Promiscuity being public enrages normal guys even more because they clearly see women they could have married years ago getting sex and being happy whilst they cope with consumerism.
That's really not the reason, it's the massacre of patrilineal groups through the ages. The vast majority of men reproduced. But if it was true, I guess we'd all be Ken's sons while women would be descended from hags, so we'd win the intersexual beauty contest easy (but who would be the judges?).
You seem to be saying most men are so ugly we need to force women to date them, which is funny, and a little insulting. Those poor women lol. I’d be merciful and let her choose celibacy if it came to that.
ugly does not equal unattractive, besides mass massacres, we have seen the effects of hypergamy in front of our own guys. A man's attractiveness is mostly his status and then his attributes, you simply both directly and indirectly and women are way better than guys at picking this stuff up. A society where anyone can have sex with anyone will lead to even more skewed outcomes where geroge clooney bangs 1000s whilst many FAANG engineers end up surfing looksmaxx.org, incorrectly thinking that they are going to succeed if they fix their looks.
I am basing this on my own personal experience as a guy who has surfed these forums but also cold approached a few hundred girls, cold approached not slept with. The average guy is more fun to hangout with but genders rate attractiveness differently innately.
Any Faang engineer can get married, given effort and low standards. Actually, that goes for almost anyone.
The Redpill view of attractiveness is imo very confused. Let’s say that women only cared about status, and men about looks. That still leaves two hierarchies of people with corresponding attractiveness, and nothing fundamentally different in the attractiveness model of the sexes. You say women can sense men’s status, but men can rank women on looks just as easily. And men all prefer a better-looking girlfriend, does that make them hypergamous? If half the men are too low status to be attractive, then half the women are too ugly to be attractive.
The main difference you identify is that most men would accept an offer of casual sex from most women anytime, while women only accept the offer from george clooney sometimes. This says more about the sexes relative enjoyment of casual sex than attractiveness.
I think desire for marriage is a lot more balanced between the sexes. You brought up that indian ‘divorce rape’ case (btw, I know the manosphere uses it, but it’s a terrible name. It comes off as a cheap attempt to ‘equalize’(‘you rape us we rape you’ – but of course most men don’t rape anyone so they don’t deserve this ‘retaliation’, plus rape is illegal, while this uses the legal system to fuck men over, so it’s more like the opposite, etc), and on that subject we agree.
Which leads to my question: let’s say promoting female chastity really does increase marriages … Why do men want the kind of headache that lead to that guy’s suicide anyway? I suggest that before we think of stopping our female overlords from fucking george Clooney, we stop giving them the legal right to steal all their husbands money and send them to prison.
No because we have data on this from not just dating apps but also the fact that more women get sex than men, the curves voth genders are skewed.
Good question, like most things, people on the right dont have good answers besides a retvrn to the past. Most guys will have some sort of an issue if they find out about thier mothers having a past of promiscuity though I do think marriages would be better because then women who act badly will be left without options. This has some issues as men have abused women and I dont want them to get abused again by the same deadbeat husband. Unless you are the kinda reactionary who believes that women are property, there are very remeides and I certainly would want to know about them. Me being against female promiscuity is the mildest thing I can say that will not fall in tht camp since I am still not experienced enough with women.
I have been thinking of writing about human mating dynamics on the culture war thread for a while now, will tag you once I get it out.
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