Tree
2d ago
I don’t know what the flippered mutants are referring to, but it can’t possibly compare to the reduction of infant mortality from 50% to 0.5% in the west (4.3% globally).
Tree
2d ago
Your yikes are worth nothing. Your female intuition, less than nothing. Mother’s intuition, female intuition, ancient wisdom and tradition, they all did parenting for thousands of years. One day some dudes with erlenmeyer tubes showed up, and they saved half the children. They saved half the children.
Kids today, or at least middle class kids upwards, are a lot more isolated. "The newborn is in a crib in the nursery and we monitor via babycam"?
Parents now spend far more time with them than they used to. You think parents used to wake up 8 times per night for two years to take care of one baby, plus the dayshift? They had actual work to do. I have a lower class family story: Neighbours of my grandparents who had 8 kids, put alcohol in the babies’ bottles to shut them up because they had to work the fields in the morning.
Tree
3d ago
Very interesting, thanks. I can feel my stance softening.
Also bothersome. I was gonna sell my 5-minute parenting per day course next to the 6-minutes abs program.
Okay, how do I salvage this. Those daycare kids seem primarily stressed out by having to fight other irrational creatures. Hell is other babies, as they say. My proposal to keep the parenting costs to a minimum: put them in cages.
Tree
3d ago
I don't think budget daycare is serious abuse, though. That is within that western context where my statement holds and parenting does not matter.
Tree
3d ago
Sure, my statement is implicitly limited to the context of the modern western parenting debate.
Tree
3d ago
I don't think those underfed, diseased romanian orphans can tell us much about the effect of letting your kids cry. I do agree that extreme malnutrition, physical trauma, lack of hygiene do matter to kids' outcome. I don't think modern daycares are anywhere near that level.
Tree
3d ago
Raising a good, happy, productive human. People have been looking for this magical parenting style that explains why Joe is good and Jack Y is bad for centuries, and they haven't found it. It's genetics or it's random.
Tree
3d ago
Is there any solid evidence of this psychological damage? A lot of parents, starting from month 6, try to ignore their kids crying, so that they cry less and become less of a burden (they are far more coddled now than they used to be). And from adoption studies we know that parenting does not matter much.
Tree
4d ago
Let me make myself perfectly clear: I am not trolling. I genuinely think darwin should not have been banned, and that there’s a good chance goodguy was not darwin. You insisting on this being "trolling" is a failure to model the mind of others. Maybe you always end up changing your opinion when multiple people downvote you and tell you you’re wrong, but I don’t. I usually just hold onto my opinion, argue it, clarify/repeat it.
I’ve left enough comments. If I am a troll, why are my "trolling positions", seemingly “to get a reaction”, always pro-free speech, classical liberal ones?
Tree
4d ago
Why? Because I don’t bow to the consensus? At one point in time, this place prided itself on its free speech ethos. We were like ‘progs don’t dare come to this place, but of course they’re welcome to try’. Now look at us. Are we men? “Bring it on” is treated like some absurd must-be-trolling position.
Tree
4d ago
Not everyone who disagrees with this place treatment of dissenters is a troll or darwin or both. I’ve been robbed of the opportunity to fight a worthy adversary because people here couldn’t lose gracefully.
Tree
4d ago
Thank you for providing an example of how silly and far-fetched the accusations of being darwin got. You don’t seem to know anything about darwin, impassionata or me. This basically confirms guesswho wasn’t darwin, he was just annoyed, I get it.
As Amadan said, he was very, very good at riding the line between what would be just that step over it to get a ban, and provoking his interlocutor into taking that one step.
That’s called being innocent of any wrongdoing and losing fair and square, respectively.
Tree
11d ago
I know guesswho claimed that. Still. You should have asked him if he was ever wrong on the smollett thing to determine his identity. If he said yes, it wasn't him.
Tree
11d ago
You: show me some examples of what high-quality Darwin looked like
Me: His AAQCs
You : sure, he made AAQCs....
ez win.
I'm not convinced guesswho is darwin, because guesswho was treated antagonistically, and constantly accused of being darwin, and if you are to be believed, a 'bad faith' poster.
Tree
11d ago
One of his predictions was wrong, that warrants a ban. You really have zero arguments.
If you disagree, show me some examples of what high-quality Darwin looked like
darwin had AAQC's. But just presenting a somewhat uncommon, solid argument is high quality in my book, and he did that often, because by virtue of his politics, most of his arguments were uncommon here. We banned the only progressive voices we had, all to maximize the content-free comments complaining about the enlightenment, modernity and the sexual revolution - the motte equivalent of complaining about boomers, or neoliberalism.
Tree
11d ago
I was there, and he was definitely banned for his political opinions. It's obvious because :
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he was the most progressive commenter
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he was a capable debater
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he stuck around a long time, obeying rules that became increasingly convoluted and personally-tailored against him, due to the hatred of the people.
Tree
11d ago
Let’s say there was a flipped left-wing version of the motte, same policies and everything. Most commenters downvoting/arguing for the ban of seemingly “antagonistic, bad faith” left-wingers like Turok and Darwin would not survive there.
Tree
11d ago
He's a nazi who pretends to be inoffensive braindead left and gets banned for ban evasion, he's nothing like Turok.
Tree
11d ago
Personally if I was a mod I'd take a pretty hands-off approach. Permabans essentially never, suspensions only rarely.
Amen to that. I wanted to express that I do not "understand the frustration". This isn't a therapy session, your feelings aren't valid.
Tree
11d ago
Here’s an idea: Just fucking take it. Argue whatever the hypothetical is. Or don’t. But don’t censor. You are among friends here, right-winger. You don’t need to use the mods to crush your political opposition. You have your numbers, your downvotes (Turok is consistently downvoted even for neutral comments, which btw already censors him). This burning hatred for any left-of center commenter is embarassing.
Tree
11d ago
Yes, it kind of is. The more the average man’s opinion matters to the ruler, the more likely it is that the country is democratic. You get the least democratic norms when a noble horseman can trample on a hundred peasants in battle. Isn’t the main alt-right and alt-left anti-democracy argument that people’s opinion don’t matter, it’s all ‘elites’, ‘lobbies’ , hidden and less hidden power-brokers who decide? Even they agree that this average joe pressure is democratic in nature.
Tree
11d ago
That distinction does not matter though. When Bismarck implemented social democratic policies “to undermine the social democrats”, that last part is irrelevant. When John Lackland granted the Magna Carta he didn’t do it because in his heart he loved the freedom of his subjects more than his own power.
Tree
12d ago
I’m trying to avoid double-dipping of people’s unpleasantness veto, that’s all. If you agree to do something for pay, you’ve sold it. You can’t use the veto to avoid the unpleasant part of the job later.
I was raised to believe that employers should be loyal to, and supportive of, their staff.
This sounds like some HR bullshit on some corporate website. Just pay me. I'll judge how loyal and supportive you are, and I'll be, later. The kind of loyalty you're talking about has to be earned.
Tree
12d ago
OP’s a woman, so from this single garden-variety independent sample this subject is 100% female-originated.
But there are also a lot of atheist manosphere types who get REALLY upset about female promiscuity.
They do, but I would postulate that they’re more upset that the women aren’t being promiscuous with them, than with the concept.
Trump on his assassination attempt:
Trump’s claims of stolen election have led to much recriminations that he is no mere crook or liar, but damaging to democracy. His supporters otoh, have ramped up the anti-elite conspiracy to include this assassination attempt, in order to show loyalty/outbid themselves, even here on the motte. This rejection by the principal actor/TV star sends a clear signal where the truth lies in this matter, whether you agree with Trump’s politics or not. Test is over, results are in, you can calibrate. If you bought the assassination conspiracy, consider that your brain may have been fried by the culture war.
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