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This is explicitly illegal in the vast majority of the western world, and implicitly forbidden in the exceptions.
No it’s not. There are ways to enact the above without violating any law. For instance, a white identity summer camp can just extol white culture, it doesn’t have to exclude by race.
Yes, and while that's legal in the USA, it falls into the "implicitly forbidden" category. You're free to run your white identity summer camp, but all you're going to be doing is permanently cancelling every child who attends and making sure they can never achieve high status. It isn't like that social pressure is an immutable law of the universe, but it does effectively kill ideas like this before they even get started.
None of the cultural developments of 2023/24 could have been predicted in 2020. I think even right now, the backlash against such an organization would be containable. No telling what can happen in the future.
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Or you could just declare the attendees part of a private club?
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It'll be hit for hostile environment discrimination.
A great way to deter frivolous lawsuits for political agendas is to form a cohesive group identity which can lobby and fund politicians, and then ensure that you have appointed most of the judges. Which I think a lot of people are afraid can happen.
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