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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 9, 2024

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An “obsession with victimhood” isn’t a bad thing in itself. It’s a bad thing when its consequences are bad and a good thing when its consequences are good. Victimhood ideology led to Trump winning as he highlighted stories of foreigners victimizing Americans, bad COVID policies affecting conservatives, foreign allies taking advantage of NATO, etc. It’s an incredibly powerful political tool. It needs to be persuasively argued why the Ascendant Right should put down the tool that paved their victory, and saying “but the Left also did victimhood” is 0% compelling.

The constant whining about how the West is somehow doomed

The belief that the West is on the brink of destruction is actually a winning strategy. First, the idea that the West is doomed is as old as the West, because the presupposition of Christianity is that we live in a fallen age that is ultimately doomed as we look back to a more glorious age of righteousness in Eden, then among the prophets, then among Christ and his brethren. The renaissance revised this slightly by including more of the Pagan Greeks. This is of tremendous psychological importance. It causes the following: a perfect standard of culture and conduct to compare oneself to (even if artificial); a sense of loss at something that you ultimately deserve; and an increased sensitivity to threats against something you value. You want this mindset if you want people to care about something and motivated to benefit it. We can call this the Batman effect.

how certain groups are being victimized by a shadowy “elite,”

And this we can call the John Wick effect. This is also important. You’re going to be more frustrated if your money is stolen by someone than if it fell out of your hand and flew in the wind. Humans are naturally competitive with a keen sense of justice. If someone is taking advantage of you, this causes motivation to seek justice.

I do wish that the Right would be less “Jews bad”, and more “how can we create networks that mirror the most successful aspects of our Jewish co-Abrahamics”. Instead of complaining, imitate. I’d like to see white billionaires donate to white families and spend money on white identity summer camps, I’d like half of all white kids to attend pro-white summer camps and hear stories of their ancestors’ trauma at the hands of Ottomans or Moors or Soviets, I’d like to see European culture and history enmeshed in religious schooling, etc. This is what preserves Western culture, not complaining on Twitter. There’s so much I like about Western culture and yet vanishingly rare places to send your kid to indoctrinate them into it. Why aren’t they learning the dances / meals / recipes / clothing / songs from a tax exempt pro white after school program?

doing a lot of harm to meaningful discourse

Meaningful discourse can occur in the backroom and shadows of political organizations. The age of meaningful discourse sailed many years, decades, or centuries ago. We are in an age of potent discourse and the discourse with the most potency wins.

I do wish that the Right would be less “Jews bad”, and more “how can we create networks that mirror the most successful aspects of our Jewish co-Abrahamics”. Instead of complaining, imitate. I’d like to see white billionaires donate to white families and spend money on white identity summer camps, I’d like half of all white kids to attend pro-white summer camps and hear stories of their ancestors’ trauma at the hands of Ottomans or Moors or Soviets, I’d like to see European culture and history enmeshed in religious schooling, etc. This is what preserves Western culture, not complaining on Twitter. There’s so much I like about Western culture and yet vanishingly rare places to send your kid to indoctrinate them into it. Why aren’t they learning the dances / meals / recipes / clothing / songs from a tax exempt pro white after school program?

This is explicitly illegal in the vast majority of the western world, and implicitly forbidden in the exceptions.

No it’s not. There are ways to enact the above without violating any law. For instance, a white identity summer camp can just extol white culture, it doesn’t have to exclude by race.

Yes, and while that's legal in the USA, it falls into the "implicitly forbidden" category. You're free to run your white identity summer camp, but all you're going to be doing is permanently cancelling every child who attends and making sure they can never achieve high status. It isn't like that social pressure is an immutable law of the universe, but it does effectively kill ideas like this before they even get started.

None of the cultural developments of 2023/24 could have been predicted in 2020. I think even right now, the backlash against such an organization would be containable. No telling what can happen in the future.

Or you could just declare the attendees part of a private club?

It'll be hit for hostile environment discrimination.

A great way to deter frivolous lawsuits for political agendas is to form a cohesive group identity which can lobby and fund politicians, and then ensure that you have appointed most of the judges. Which I think a lot of people are afraid can happen.

There are Polish-American afterschool programs where kids sing songs, eat Polish food, etc. Lots of shit like that, the US is very diverse.

This gets bandied about alot, but my ancestors have been in the US for over 200 years. Some came over on the Mayflower. Others fought in the Revolutionary War. This is not particularly uncommon either.

I am not Polish-American, Italian-American, Irish-American or any of the other more recent white identity groups that came over in the early 20th century. I am just a white American of mixed British and German ancestry. Where is my summer camp?

Some people (blacks, Jews) get to form racial identity clans and lobby the government for their own benefit. Others don't.

Form a German-American club.

AFAIK there’s discrimination against white southern ethnic identity, but Yankees themselves are mostly uninterested in establishing an ethnic identity(although the sons of the revolutionary war might be worth checking out).

Catholicism and Protestantism are pure religion, which is distinct from culture and race. There is white culture distinct from Catholic or Protestant faith. Just like there’s Pashtun culture distinct from Islam.

Judaism is a collection of distinct ethnicities, both historically (different tribes plus additions from other lands) and today with the genetic differences between Ashk and Mizr. Although they have genetic similarities the differences are substantial (+50% european versus +30% Arab). What’s important is that they all claim to be one people, and thus they are one people. This is a subjective value choice. A lot of white Americans consider themselves “one people” with other white Americans, and because they believe this, they are. We are just waiting for the organizations to develop.

I’m for whichever affiliation people wish to affiliate with. If someone wants to be 100% Polish they should pursue that. But if you spend time online you see millions of white people who cherish white culture from Britain, Germany, Italy, etc. So clearly a lot of white Americans have concluded that their central affiliation to be Europe-derived, as opposed to “specifically a Cornwall-ish Celt” or whatever. It’s really no one’s right to say that they are wrong about something so deep and heartfelt as their culture, right?

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