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PaperclipPerfector  12d ago (text post)   2337 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for December 6, 2024

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I went to an in-person ACX meetup for the first time today. I didn't find it too awkward and actually really enjoyed the conversation. I was surprised that many of the attendees had either never heard of The Motte or only had a very passing familiarity with it.

Has there ever been a Motte meetup? I imagine we’re too few for it

Not that I know of, but I thought there was a lot more overlap between the Motte and Astral Codex Ten than there is. I don't read much of Scott's stuff myself, but he seems to have a much larger following than The Motte does.

theMotte may originally be an offshoot from SSC, but by now the connection is pretty weak. Scott only very rarely links here, and vice versa Scott is now just one of many writers that get mentioned here regurlarly.

Yeah this place is not super big in rat circles

ACX readership is now well outside of the ratsphere.

Not really a surprise that a niche spin off forum isn't super well known amongst the many substack readers. Unless you read SSC long enough to see the announcement all those years ago, or posted on the SSC reddit, it's not got any public advertisement

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