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naraburns  nihil supernum  16d ago (text post)   26871 thread views

U.S. Election (Day?) 2024 Megathread

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I’ve always been suspicious of the narrative of “alienating the base” for the democrats (AKA not being woke or economically left enough), simply because most of those positions are not held by that many people. The number of people out of nearly 400 million who would not put up with Kamala’s rather tepid support of Israel is probably not that big. Likewise, the number of people turned off because her economic plans were too moderate seems fairly small. Especially since the only viable alternative is a guy who’s basically running on “take everything the liberals like and destroy it as hard as we possibly can”. The Trump answer to all of the positions these people are left of her on Trump is radically on the right on. Trump is not shy about supporting Israel — he wants Israel to “finish the job (presumably of blowing up Gaza)”. Trumps plan for student loans is “make the student pay back the loans”. Trumps plan for the environment is “let’s pull out of all the agreements, drill baby drill, and deregulate so it’s easier to pollute without consequences”. There just isn’t a way to punish the dems on this when the alternative is “not only get literally nothing you actually want, but lose things you have now.

There just isn’t a way to punish the dems on this when the alternative is “not only get literally nothing you actually want, but lose things you have now.

Trump wins Dearborn amid anger over Gaza and Lebanon

"The Muslim community is united in principle against the Biden Harris administration, especially for the genocide," he said.

Not that I disagree with your logic, but people are willing to punish the Dems regardless. How should we explain this apparent voting against your own preferred outcomes? (I can understand the Muslim voters who believe in tackling domestic problems first, but not the ones who explicitly name Gaza as a reason to vote for Trump.)

I can understand Muslim voters being mad enough at Kamala over Gaza to cast around and decide that they agree with Trump's agenda for other reasons. And it's not improbable seeming to me, either- AFAICT Dearborn has similar demographics to pre-9/11 Muslim-Americans, and the GOP did quite well among them back in the day.

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