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Boy would I love to see some accountability from the people who insisted there was no way Trump would be allowed to win the election.
Judge Juan Merchan’s sentencing of Trump for his felony convictions happens later this month. And who’s to say that another Trump assassination attempt won’t happen between now and January?
Harris and Biden mouth the words required of them. Now they can have plausible deniability if the left’s shock troops act to stop Big Orange Hitler from taking office. We’ll see if Trump actually gets to January 20, 2025.
After January 20, will you say that Trump still wasn't allowed to win because the actors of the cathedral/deep state/institutions prevent him from enacting serious change? At what point will the goalposts have moved far enough?
Would you say that Republicans didn't allow Harris to win if a Trump voter unaffiliated with the party assassinated her after a win?
Even if what you say happens to be true, the people who said Democrats would steal the election through votes were, flatly, wrong.
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Ill admit that I was one of those people and am finding myself pleasantly surprised to be (at first pass at least) eating crow.
Too soon to tell re: my alternate lower confidence prediction/conspiracy theory.
What sort of "accountability" did you have in mind?
Admitting to the error is a good start. Perhaps having a frank discussion in your conservative circles on how this belief came to be would be a good next step.
You were told over and over again by certain pundits that this was 100% going to happen. Maybe reevaluate whether those voices are trustworthy and worth listening to
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I'm afraid the best you can expect is the goalposts moving to "the deep state won't let him do anything anyway". (Which, maybe, but why wasn't that the initial line?)
I've been arguing against the blackpill crowd for years now, but this is your reminder that Trump missed having his brainstem clipped by a sniper who his bodyguards studiously ignored until after he'd fired eight or so times.
I'm not sure I see the relevance. Obviously Trump isn't an immortal. Winning the election was not guaranteed, and neither is taking office, and neither is achieving any policy goals or staying in office very long. I only mean that I have seen a lot of introspection from the people who thought Kamala would win on the merits and zero introspection from people who thought that Kamala would win via subterfuge. They have simply moved to bailey.
Let me highlight the relevant part then: who his bodyguards studiously ignored until after he'd fired eight or so times.
Trump being alive right now is a low-probability event, and a significant part of the reason it is a low-probability event is conspicuous, inexplicable and extremely suspicious inaction on the part of federal agents in the face of a deadly threat. The events in Butler have not been remotely adequately explained, and one of the obvious potential explanations is that the deep state made a good try at having him killed.
(This being said, I also am waiting for the blackpill crew to update based on this new information.)
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I think that would make for a good top-level post in the main thread. All this definitely may be a good reason for some people to, as the rationalists like to say, update their priors. On a more subtle level, the Trump presidency is going to be an interesting test for Curtis Yarvin's idea that even if a right-winger gets elected, he will not be able to significantly change things. But one thing is for sure, Trump did just win. He did not die at the last minute to a mysterious accident, and apparently there were no container trucks full of Harris votes showing up at the last minute to give Harris the election.
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