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Not by much, Canada's issues are things us and rest of the west will face soon.
I doubt it. Greencard wait time for indians is something like fifty years.
This is so naive as to be scarcely believable. There are at least 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, but the true number is likely much higher. (DHS pegged the number at 11 million in January 2022 for reference).
People from India now fly to
MexicoNicaragua to cross the southern border. And who can blame them? It feels like a great strategy.yep, this is despicable behavior on their part, need to be deported en masse. excessive migration is never good, especially not the low iq low skill kind.
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There are certainly some number of Indian illegal immigrants but for now it’s a relatively small proportion of the total. This is because overseas Indians often like to visit home and if you’re illegal in the US (especially from Asia rather than just across the border) you can’t ever leave by normal methods like flying out and back in. Easier to go to Canada where visas are plentiful and you can come and go as you please.
There have been 169,000 Indians encountered on the border since 2020 according to one article I found. So you're right it's a small percentage of the overall total. This, of course, does not reflect the number of Indians currently illegal in the US, which could be a lot of things.
In any case, I was reacting to the idea that the number of Indian migrants is constrained by legal migration channels. It is not. It is constrained by border security, of which we've had very little since 2021.
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What does that have to do with anything? They're crossing illegally from Canada, and like the rest of the world, they are falsely claiming asylum and dropping anchor babies.
The Indian immigrants are mostly men and based on the Canadian posts they can't really find any women to marry. So I don't think there's a lot of anchor babying going around.
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