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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 7, 2024

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If Republicans want to engage in "lawfare" against Democrats by punishing them for things they are guilty of, great!

This is so easy to say when you know it will never come to pass.

Ask Senator Menendez and Eric Adams about "never."

Sure, but what do you want me to do about it? Change my career path, go into a law, get a job in politics, and rise through the ranks so I can become a star prosecutor who goes after Republicans and Democrats alike?

I’d just like you to not act as though your personal desire for fairness in lawfare means anything to those of us on the right. No lawfare is much preferred over one-sided lawfare.

In other words, I cannot argue in favor of a thing unless I personally have the means to implement it? Sorry, that's not a demand I'm going to comply with.

"No lawfare" is just corruption, because every public figure is partisan. Was Bob Menendez (D-NJ) a victim of lawfare when he was convicted of 16 counts of bribery? He has a D next to his name! George Santos? Michael Flynn? "Lawfare" absent any hard evidence of the motives of the prosecutors is little more than the idea that anyone you like can't be accused of a crime.

I'd also argue the right does know what lawfare is. What do you think all those people chanting "Lock her up!" were calling for?

"No lawfare" is just corruption, because every public figure is partisan. Was Bob Menendez (D-NJ) a victim of lawfare when he was convicted of 16 counts of bribery? He has a D next to his name! George Santos? Michael Flynn? "Lawfare" absent any hard evidence of the motives of the prosecutors is little more than the idea that anyone you like can't be accused of a crime.

You’re right. It is corruption. One-sided lawfare is also corruption, and of a more dangerous kind.

Bob Menendez will be replaced by another guy with a D next to his name so absolutely nothing was lost by the democrats. The occasional no-stakes sacrifice isn’t fooling anyone, especially when it took two decades for consequences.

I'd also argue the right does know what lawfare is. What do you think all those people chanting "Lock her up!" were calling for?

They wanted lawfare. Your rules applied fairly and all that.

Bob Menendez will be replaced by another guy with a D next to his name so absolutely nothing was lost by the democrats. The occasional no-stakes sacrifice isn’t fooling anyone, especially when it took two decades for consequences.

Oh come now. You ignore the point and pivot to calling it meaningless. The "lawfare" argument is that Menendez should never face consequences, because if Republicans bring charges it's lawfare and if Democrats do it it's a stunt I guess? Do we need to summon a being of true neutrality and law to bring prosecution or not?

They wanted lawfare. Your rules applied fairly and all that.

They were doing this before Trump was ever even in office. And again, I don't have near as much a problem with it as you seem to. The whole "Oops I deleted it!" was at a bare minimum shady as fuck.

I don't have near as much a problem with it as you seem to.

Exactly! Because you know your side will never actually face consequences!

Surely you can see there is an enormous qualitative difference between democrats ejecting an unpopular democrat in a safe-D state and democrats digging through the couch cushions and charging the opposing presidential candidate with whatever novel legal theories they can find?

I just posted examples of it happening and you pivot to finding a reason to say it doesn't count. Hell, they even pushed out Al Franken, who was at the time fairly popular, over mere accusations of inappropriate behavior.

Yes, there aren't a lot of examples because most politicians are at least smart enough to be corrupt in legal ways (see Pelosi). I don't think prosecuting someone for taking classified documents home, showing them to others, and hiding them from officials when they try to find them is novel. If anyone besides Trump did it, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Prosecuting someone for trying to replace election officials with loyalists who will call the election for you or calling state officials to pull votes for you out of thin air has never happened in America because no one has tried it, but it's the same sort of thing that regularly happens in third world countries. Hell it's happening in Venezuela right now. For all the people claiming the election is insecure, prosecuting that sort of behavior would also be a slam dunk against anyone but Trump.

And again, under your proposed rules, how could it possibly ever happen?

Your examples do absolutely nothing to disprove a one-sided lawfare hypothesis so why should I grant you that point?

calling state officials to pull votes for you out of thin air

This is an extremely motivated reading of that phone call, especially with more recent revelations on the election in Georgia. Gotta be honest, it’s making me doubt your commitment to even-handed lawfare.

it's the same sort of thing that regularly happens in third world countries. Hell it's happening in Venezuela right now.

Prosecuting your political opponents? You’re right! The political valence is even the same!

ETA: I’ll grant you Al Franken in the sense that the democrats definitely did not have to get rid of him. My opinion is that they only did because it was peak #MeToo and their hand was forced by the appearance of hypocrisy and their extreme left faction. (It doesn’t hurt that MN is relatively safely blue.) Note that in the years since many people involved in his resignation have publicly come to regret it. Regardless, it definitionally wasn’t lawfare since he faced no charges.

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It's better than two-sided lawfare too -- there's a reason why "don't go after past presidents for petty bullshit" has been the norm since forever; it's a good norm!

Moreover structurally democrats in government benefit from the fact the vast majority of trials would take place in the DMV meaning they will Never be held accountable even when their guilt is unquestionable.