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Is very good. It’s a shame about the tone of the first episode. It’s hard enough to sell peers on a cartoon.
what do you think is off about the tone in the first ep?
It’s too goofy. Aang has a serious attention deficit and shouts too much (“Will you go penguin sledding with me?!”), and it’s overall too manic for the sole purpose of not giving away exposition in the first episode.
The show gets so much better once they leave the Southern Water Tribe. But I don’t know any adult friends I could convince to push through till then.
Mmm fair. It is a kids show.
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My wife watched it as a kid and tried to get me to watch it with here not long ago. We stopped after the first 2 episodes because it felt pretty kiddy and her pov was that it must have been more childish than she remembered.
That's understandable, but it's a shame. I think the very next episode is the one where Aang is confronted with physical evidence of the genocide of his entire people in the ruins of his hometown. The humor (and even some slapstick) does stay throughout the series, but it's woven in better.
Then there's this great short scene that hits very hard when you've already seen all of Zuko's antics Uncle Iroh has had to guide him through.
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Struck me as very childish. Stopped there.
In retrospect, Hunter X Hunter had the same issue and turned out great. Might be grounds for giving it another shot.
It's literally a kids show hah. But it dives into much more mature themes and handles them better than almost any other show I've seen.
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If you liked hxh, then you will like avatar as well. In fact Hxh imo has serious issues with padding towards the later arcs, while Avatar has solid pacing throughout - if anything, it's the early episodes which feel more like that and it gets better.
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