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Why can't we all just get along?

I've been thinking about conflict vs mistake theory lately, especially since the events of October in Israel last year.

I've been particularly trying to understand where support for Palestine (and Hamas, implicitly or not) comes from. Much has already been written about this of course, whether it's the bigotry of small differences or the trap of the "oppressor/oppressed thinking," the hierarchy of oppression, and so on.

What I found striking and want to discuss here though is the strain of thought responding to "how can LGBT+ support Palestine" by declaring, e.g., from Reddit:

It's easier to focus on getting gay rights when you're not being genocided.

Or from a longer piece:

The interviewer asks him, “What’s your response to people who say that you’re not safe in Palestine as a queer person?” Dabbagh responded, “First and foremost, I would go to Palestine in a heartbeat. I have no fear. I love my people and my people love me. And I want to be there and be part of the movement that ends up leading to queer liberation for liberated Palestinian people. If you feel that such violence exists for queer people in the Middle East, what are you doing to change that for that community? The first step is the liberation of Palestine.

I don't claim it's the most common strain of thinking, but to me this largely cashes out as "they are homophobic because of oppression/imperialism/Jews." As an aside, contrast with the way "economic anxiety" plays out in the US.

The part I want to focus on is this kind of blend of mistake and conflict theory -- there's conflict, yes, but it has a cause which can be addressed and then we'll all be on the same side. I'm skeptical of this blend, which seems to essentially just be false consciousness: if not for an external force you would see our interests align.

I think this mode of thinking is becoming increasingly popular however and want to point to the two most recent video games I put serious time into (but didn't finish) as examples: Baldur's Gate 3 and Unicorn Overlord (minorish spoilers ahead)


[Again, minorish spoilers for Unicorn Overlord and Baldur's Gate 3 ahead]

Baldur's Gate 3 was part of a larger "vibe shift" in DnD which I won't get into here except to say I think a lot of it is misguided. Nevertheless, there are two major examples of the above:

The Gith'Yanki are a martial, fascist seeming society who are generally aggressive powerful assholes. A major character arc for one of your team Gith'Yanki team members however, is learning she had been brainwashed and fed lies not just about the leader of the society and her goals, but also the basic functioning of the society. For instance, a much-discussed cure for a serious medical condition turns out to be glorious euthanasia.

The Gith have been impressed with a false consciousness, you see, and your conflict with them is largely based on a misunderstanding of the facts.

More egregious is the character Omeluum, who you meet early in the adventure. Omeluum is a "mind flayer" or "illithid":

Mind flayers are psionic aberrations with a humanoid-like figure and a tentacled head that communicate using telepathy. They feast on the brains of intelligent beings and can enthrall other creatures to their will.

But you see, even these creatures turn out to be the victim of false consciousness--Omeluum is a mind flayer who has escaped the mind control of the "Elder Brain." After fleeing, he happily "joined the good guys." You might think it's an issue that his biology requires he consume conscious brains, but fortunately he only feeds

on the brains of creatures of the Underdark 'that oppose the Society's goals', and wishes to help others of his kind by discovering a brain-free diet.

In the world of DnD (which has consciously been made to increasingly mimic our own world with mixed results), it seems that but for a few bad actors we could all get along in harmony.

Anecdotally, the last time I ran a DnD campaign it eventually devolved into the party trying to "get to the root" of every conflict, whether it was insisting on finding a way to get goblins to stop killing travelers by negotiation a protection deal with the nearby village which served both, or trying to talk every single cultist out of being a cult member. I'm all for creative solutions, but I found it got pretty tedious after a while.


The other game, Unicorn Overlord, is even more striking, albeit a little simpler. Unicorn Overlord is a (very enjoyable) strategy game where you slowly build up an army to overthrow the evil overlord. What you quickly discover, however, is that almost without exception every follower of the evil overlord is literally mind-controlled. The main gameplay cycle involves fighting a lieutenant's army, then using your magical ring to undo the mind control. After, the lieutenant is invariably horrified and joins your righteous cause.

I should note this is far from unusual in this genre, which requires fights but also wants team-ups. It's a lot like Marvel movies which come up with reasons for heroes to fight each other then team up, like a misunderstanding or even mind control. Wargroove was especially bad at this, where you would encounter a new friendly and say something like "Hello, a fine field for cattle, no?" but the wind is strong or something so they hear "Hello, a fine field for battle, no?" and then you fight. Nevertheless, the mind control dynamic in Unicorn Overlord is almost exclusively the only explanation used.


Funnily enough, I think in these an other examples this is seen as "adding nuance," but I find it ultimately as childish as a cartoon-twirling villain. The villain is still needed in fact (Imperialists, the Evil Overlord, The Elder Brain, The Queen of the Gith), but it's easier to explain away one Evil person who controls everything than try to account for it at scale.

Taken altogether, I can't help but think these are all symptoms of the same thing: struggling to explain conflict. The "false consciousness" explanation is powerful, but seems able to explain anything about people's behavior.

My suspicion is that mistakes and genuine conflict can both occur, but this blended approach leaves something to be desired I think. I had an idea a while ago about a potential plot twist for Unicorn Overlord where it's revealed you aren't freeing anyone -- you're simply bringing them under your own control but you don't notice. That feels a bit like the fantasy all of this is getting at I think: I have my views because of Reasons or Ethics or Whatever, and you would agree with me if not for Factor I'm Immune To.

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Pre-1948 the concept of a "Palestinian" didnt even exist. They were just Muslim Arabs that happened to be located in a specific territory, but culturally were indistinguishable from their neighboring states.

Morris argues it began around 1920. Righteous Victims. pg. 34:

It was at this time, too, that a distinct Palestinian local patriotism or protonationalism began to emerge. This tendency or orientation—it hardly qualified as a movement—gradually groped its way forward, largely in reaction to the burgeoning Zionist presence. But in part it was also the product of other political, economic, religious, and social developments and realities, dating from the mid-nineteenth century...The first quasi-political Palestinian nationalist organizations can be traced to the last months of World War I.

A solidified identity didn't come around until years after 1948, iirc, but to say the concept wasn't there is wrong.

28 years is still little in world history. You might as well argue that Alsace and Lorraine are German.

Why would that matter? We're still left with the fact that almost 3 decades before Israel was created, the people the Zionists were basically displacing had a distinct notion of being their own people, not just people of a broader identity who happened to be located in a particular place.

It matters because we shouldnt care.

You said there wasn't even the concept of the Palestinian identity prior to 1948. Whether we should care is a separate argument. Do you acknowledge that your statement was wrong?

I think there are some arguments that it was not correct, but on the whole it wasn't solidified nor considered important in any way. They easily could have been absorbed into neighboring countries in 1948.

They were! Egypt held Gaza from 1948 to 1967, Jordan held the West Bank at the same time. Israel won the six-day war, then had 6 years of negotiations to try and formalize peace between the decision makers - Egypt and Jordan.

The political masterstroke for Jordan and Egypt was to sign peace treaties with Israel without taking back the Palestinian territories. All the calculus of concessions were unilaterally ceded by Egypt and Jordan, leaving the Israelis to deal with the Palestinians. The emergence of the PLO as a distinct Palestinian organization was a godsend for the Arabs who were finding continual conflict against the Jews to be more difficult and less rewarding than anticipated. Let Israel be responsible entirely for the Palestinians, who helpfully have decided against cooperating with their sponsors.

As an independent state/statelets, the Palestinians will be starting from a terrible position. At war with the regional military superpower (who was providing all food and water and electricity because it was previously an occupying power), blockaded by its neighbors, riven by internal factional wars, and its only allies are faraway Shias or useless college students. I don't think even the most autistic HOI IV player can exploit a victory out of this map seed.