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Seems to me more that sales types who complain about the way engineer types think or do their job are truly trying to dehumanize engineers.
Complaining about how other people think is dehumanizing?
Welcome to the Motte!
Can you offer more here than a basic "nuh-uh, YOU'RE stupid!" as a response? I'm willing to hear rebuttals to my evaluation of Sales style thinking, but I don't see much content in your reply.
The idea that the touchy-feely-schmoozy-douchey sort of interaction that salespeople are pros at is the be-all and end-all of human interaction and that what engineers engage in is not is "dehumanizing" the engineers.
Can you just ... try harder? There's no content here. Again, I'm all ears for a meaningful counterpoint, rebuttal, whatever. There are at least two or three already in this thread. Right now, you're saying "nah, salesmen suck" and leaving it at that.
Everything about your original post oozes contempt for engineers, from "autism" to "could Talk To Girls (TM)". But what I'm specifically complaining about is that you are claiming the way engineers work is not the way humans work. That places engineers themselves outside the bounds of humanity. It's a damn common thing, probably because sales and marketing people push it all the time, and they've gotten a lot of engineer types to accept it, but it's still bullshit.
Why? Why is it bullshit?
My post didn't say that the way engineers work is not the way humans work. My post said that engineers approach problems, solve them - often very well - and then fail to appreciate that solving the engineering problem alone is insufficient because what business is about is solving human problems.
Engineering, across all of its various domains, is a fantastically valuable endeavor for humans to pursue. On its own, it is not enough. And that's fine. We work, as humans, in complex organizations so we can leverage one another's relative strengths to achieve a larger goal.
Because you said;
I'll respond by saying that everything about your multiple posts oozes butthurt engineer who think that sales and marketing add no value. As a former engineer who felt this way for a long time, I have a strong prior that you're failing to understand some very human problems. You can change this and your life can improve.
The number one complaint engineers have about sales types is the sales people make deals by promising the customer things they expect engineering to back up. They then talk management into making it engineering's problem that the thing can't be done or is more expensive than the deal is worth. You can call that "butthurt" but it's certainly not dehumanizing.
Engineers communicate with each other. This mode of communication is not the same as salespeople use with each other or their buyer counterparts at the clients. Salespeople, including you, consider only the latter to be "human interaction". That's what's dehumanizing.
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