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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 19, 2024

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This conclusion seems very excessive. China has a couple hits but the west has a large stable of bangers and continues to release. If we're going to say that the East is punching above it's weight class the example would be nintendo and it's a little late to be worried about that. The last mega hit was Balder's gate, a western studio making a game using a californian IP. The East is big in gacha games but that's partially because those aren't as popular in the west. You mentioned PUBG but you know who ate their lunch? Fortnite, western.

It doesn't really seem like the East is eclipsing a west that can no longer make games so much as china is actually for the first time making serious contributions. many of which are using western IPs like many of your examples.

Balder's gate, a western studio making a game using a californian IP

Baldur's gate was made by bioware in Edmonton, DnD was created by gygax in Wisconsin and the forgotten realms was created by Ed greenwood in Toronto?

And currently, the IP seems to be owned by Wizards of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro, neither of which are based in California.

My bad, for some reason I had thought the eponymous coast in wotc was Californian.