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I don't think you can just play the "who is weirder" game. As aesthetically revolting as alphabet people can be, it doesn't push the same disgust buttons as, "these are the people want to be inside you," does to young women.
I think you can. Just start reminding young women of all the transgender athletes in women's sports, trannies in women's spas, trannies raping women in women's restrooms, trannies in prisons impregnating fellow female inmates, phalloplasty forearms, etc.
Hello, and welcome back, I guess.
Please remember that really hating a group doesn’t give you license to skip all the rules about decorum and charity.
I looked over the rules just now. Was it my use of the word "tranny?" If so, I'll avoid using it. Not sure what else it could have been.
We don't really ban specific words per se, but we do ban things like weakmanning in order to show how bad a group is. In this particular case, you might respond "oh but I was just explaining a way to play the game under discussion" but... I guess what I want to say is that I might accept that excuse from a good poster with a long history in the sub, but I certainly wouldn't accept that excuse from a user with your posting history.
Frankly, if I were you and I wanted to continue posting on the Motte in good faith, the first thing I'd do is roll a new account without an openly antagonistic username. We are, I think, mostly tolerant of quirky usernames but, yours is a pretty bold declaration against, uh, the whole ethos of this site.
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I don't know, if we really want to get ugly, I think "these are the people that want to be inside your children" may actually commend stronger feelings.
If anything, I wonder if the ad and its implications are actually playing a game that the right has mastered first?
"The other side are disgusting and sexually depraved and ugly and want to prey on you" is a card that the right has played many times, surely?
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It does, which is why Trump's connections to Epistein are constantly posted and talked about.
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