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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 29, 2024

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That men work to deliver what women want so that they can have women is as old as building a shack and a fire.

I think the distopian view would go something like

  1. Men, fundamentally, no longer care what women want and don't care to have a long term mate. So they just take care of their basic needs and then use any extra income they generate for substance abuse, mindless hobbies, and ...

  2. The consumption of commoditized sex. Even if we never get to fully legal prostitution, AI girlfriends and hyperabundant porn might get to the point where it is satiating enough for a plurality of men. Which leads to...

  3. A drastic imbalance between the number of women looking for an eligible long term partner and the number of available and looking eligible men. If you look at the numbers after WW2 in places like Belorussia and Ukraine, anything past 55/45 female-to-male is HUGE. If we got to something "even" at 60-40 (for my above criteria) things would get weird. Harems, polyamory (shit, that's already on the menu), hyper-sociopath-players, spousal surveilance and, for a minority, a drastic RETVRN to harsh conservative religious models of gender roles.

You can see how this would put society into a very fragile state of affairs. I don't personally think it will get this bad, but I do believe the cost of avoiding it will be some amount of younger Millenial and Gen-Z men growing up, living, and dying alone (and often early) to shock society back into working to restore generative relations between the sexes.

You can see how this would put society into a very fragile state of affairs.

Not really, you yourself pointed out a whole bunch of ways society has of dealing with those issues. That society would change is a given, but looking at history you can have stable societies with all kinds of social norms. The men that don't care about getting a woman won't procreate, those that will or can, will. Society will go on.

Society can't work to restore relations between men and women, society is the emergent outcome of millions of individual decisions of men and women. It will change as those decisions change. It might bounce back and forth between different models, and that is ok.

Society can't work to restore relations between men and women

Can it work to restore relations between blacks and whites though? Heterosexuals and homosexuals?

So far society doesn't seem to be shocked by this at all and in fact seems perfectly willing to make that happen so far as those men are not angry enough to cause problems. I've seen people here positively argue for mollifying the male masses with video games and pornography.

There are some people, even important people, giving a concerned look at the birth rates; but nobody is seriously considering any solution to the problem because that would require abandoning some individual freedoms that have now become a sacred given, on both sides.

Can you really imagine a politician successfully selling a ban on onlyfans and no-fault divorce? Let alone on abortion and pornography? These things were already hard to maintain when people were religious, asking people to give those away without a spiritual revival seems far fetched, and such a revival seems impossible without fire and brimstone raining down on us for at least a little bit.

Male misery isn't going to cut it, we're not sympathetic enough. I've watched enough MRAs try in vain to know this by now. All it's going to take is all we have.