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Hold on a second. The attacker in that case had spent years and years living in a Berkeley polyamory cult doing drugs in a shitted out bus in somebody’s yard.
If he ended up schizophrenic and convinced he was helping Donald Trump somehow, it was basically a direct result of democratic politics, and is exactly the type of thing that “MAGA” is fighting against.
The reason people were critical of/making fun of the Pelosis was that this was their own schizophrenic chickens coming home to roost. I also didn’t see any sort of wishing that he had succeeded, just a lot of sort of “you eat what you grow” sort of things.
Replace 'democratic politics' with 'Republicans' and 'Berkeley polyamory cult' with 'AR-15s and gun control' and you've got yourself the bog-standard (brought to you by Stephen King!) leftist argument that Trump's own pro-gun policies led to his assassination. It's stupid when they do it, and it's stupid when you do it too.
Policies at the federal/state level have such broad impacts that nearly any event can be linked back to something one of the parties did.
If somebody said “well this is why we want stronger gun restrictions!” I’d sympathize with them (but disagree). I’ve even seen people wondering out loud if this would cause Trump to change his stance on gun control at all.
That’s all different than “I wish my political enemy had been assassinated…to protect democracy.”
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I mean, except for the fact that gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right, and gun ownership has many legitimate uses. Hard to say the same about open air drug markets that permanently break people's brains and fester like a boil on society.
My righteous policy of AR-15s for self-defense versus your policy of open air drug markets that permanently break people's brains is a Straussian conjugation if I've ever heard one.
Your description of both 'policies' or platforms is massively lacking in nuance and accuracy, and in both cases ignores the tradeoffs involved. Pretending that gun ownership is an unalloyed good while being soft-on-crime is an unalloyed ill is just silly.
One is a god given right that is enumerated in the constitution, also heavily policed and regulated. The other is a criminal enterprise lacking legal basis at any level, ignored by the police and authorities.
Oh, you can't tell which I'm talking about because they're equivalent?
Yeah, pretty much.
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Did you mean Russel conjugation?
Ah, thank you for the correction.
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Is it? Then please enlighten me as to the benefits of permissiveness towards illicit open air drug markets.
I'm skeptical of my ability to do so, and loath to try.
But firstly, I'll note that we were discussing:
The link between this and open-air drug markets is tenuous to non-existent (was he buying his drugs at one of your markets...?) at least as far as I'm aware of the story of David Depape, though I can see how discussing drug markets rather than sticking to the example the OP gave is much more convenient for you. As far as Democratic policies go, do you want the cops to round up and jail polyamorists for life? Anyone who uses something harder than marijuana? People living in old buses? And that failing to do so means that when David Depape reads a bunch of conspiracy theories about the Jews and pizzagate on facebook, well, the Pelosis just had it coming? As well blame Republicans for not being willing to censor obvious disinformation that sent him off the deep end, both positions are equally stupid.
Not even mentioning the fact that Democratic politicians are elected on these 'soft on crime' platforms, and are presumably executing the will of the majority - particularly in the aftermath of Floyd. It's not clear to me why they should be murdered by drug addicts because their constituencies support 'soft on crime' policies.
But whatever, you don't want to talk about that, right? You want to score points. So no, I don't support 'open-air drug markets,' you are correct, but also nobody has a pro-drug market position. I assume you mean people are 'soft on crime' or against prosecution of drug offenses, and the mess in SF/Philly is the byproduct. But the tradeoff of cracking down on crime will be more citizens incarcerated and paying those costs, more fatherless households, more Rodney Kings and George Floyds (and associated riots) which you may not care about or even see as a good thing, but most of your fellow citizens disagree with.
It's clear the pendulum has swung too far in one direction and a correction is coming/already here. But America is not Singapore, and (this is conjecture on my part) I believe that most Americans value freedom and liberty such that they're willing to allow some level of crime and homelessness. Pushing your argument to the extreme means that any politician that isn't pro-social-panopticon deserves to be murdered by the criminals for their soft-on-crime policies.
I mean, as much as people falling out of plains "deserve" to die when they hit the ground. It's less "deserve" and more natural law. You allow more crime, you get more crime, including against the politicians that allowed it.
So...is it also true that if you encourage more gun ownership, you get more shootings, including against the politicians that enable it?
Potentially, but I would expect that widespread gun ownership would help dissuade the vast majority of potential muggers (a far more common form of gun violence) while very slightly increasing the risk of political assassinations.
I suspect that there is a very low, static baseline likelihood of a political assassination in a stable society - aka crazy will find a way. Japan has very low gun ownership levels, but that didn’t save Shinzo Abe from being killed with a homemade zip gun.
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You allow more guns, you get more gun crimes, including against the politicians that allowed it. If it was practically impossible for private citizens to purchase firearms in the United States, Donald Trump almost certainly wouldn't have almost gotten shot in the head last week.
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It turns out you can't freely substitute things in an argument that are not at all similar and expect the truth value to remain the same. Perhaps you can substitute "republican" for "democratic", but "Berkely polyamory cults" is not similar to "AR-15s and gun control".
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