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Small-Scale Question Sunday for July 14, 2024

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Are people using "milktoast" [sic] in an ironic way or do people genuinely not know that it's wrong? I've been seeing it more and more lately on places like reddit.

Also, this might just be Baader-Meinhof, but I have a subjective feeling that mistakes of this kind have become more prevalent recently. Use of "should of", or "i.e." instead of "e.g", etc. Anyone able to sanity check me on if this is real (i.e., do people just care less about proper language use nowadays) or imagined?

I'm guessing a lot of people are getting words audibly and then repeating them in print phonetically. It's common enough to become a thing. I'm guessing people just read a lot less books/newspapers/magazines where they'd have learned the correct phrasing of things. I remember having the opposite problem where I'd read a lot as a kid and knew words and phrases but not how they actually sounded out loud so when I'd try to say it I sounded dumb but people who learned it from hearing it would know how to say it right but maybe not how to write it.

At least they're probably using the word to mean what it actually means and they just don't know how to spell it. It doesn't bother me but I see so many people use the word nonplussed to mean not impressed (which arguably makes sense) even though it means confused. One thing I see a lot of even really smart people do is say "with regards to" instead of "with regard to" and I have to stop myself from commenting about it at this point.

I think using the wrong words or phrases or spelling them incorrectly isn't that bad of a thing but I hate the new trend of everyone just deciding that being grammatically incorrect is correct if enough people are wrong and doing it enough. Mostly because it feels like people trying to write history rather than letting it happen.

Yes. But I'm also the kind of person who gets mildly annoyed at people on here who use hyphens instead of en dashes or em dashes (as the case may be); i.e. I'm an insufferable pedant.

To be fair, there's no easy way to type the dashes on a standard keyboard. So people just use hyphens instead, cause that's easier than bringing up charmap or whatever. And to be honest I have no idea (even as a frequent pedant) what the difference in usage between em dash and en dash is supposed to be.

there's no easy way to type the dashes on a standard keyboard

In Markdown, at least, you can use HTML named character references. "& ndash;" without the space after the ampersand → "–", and "& mdash;" without the space after the ampersand → "—".

I have no idea what the difference in usage between em dash and en dash is supposed to be

Wikipedia's Manual of Style includes a handy guide—though, of course, Wikipedia is not necessarily trustworthy.

At the risk of being insufferably pedantic and because you seem to care, there should be a comma after “i.e.” (or “e.g.”, for that matter).

I'm glad I could lure you into the ninth circle of pedantry. A comma after "i.e." is preferable but not required; it's a matter of style, not grammar. But if we're talking style, the bigger blunder here is that I used "i.e" in text where I could have just as easily written "in other words". "i.e." and "e.g." are best confined to lists, parentheticals, and other situations where economy of space trumps flow and readability.

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I get unreasonably upset at people using risky for risque.

Also, this might just be Baader-Meinhof, but I have a subjective feeling that mistakes of this kind have become more prevalent recently. Use of "should of", or "i.e." instead of "e.g", etc.

It's something I've been noticing for at least 7 years. I think it's mostly kids/teenagers. Apparently it's rude to correct people online on their spelling these days as well, so I guess the answer to "do people just care less about proper language use nowadays?" is yes.

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