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This makes me wonder if there ever was a male porn actor who got a normie job anywhere, for that matter.
Not a normie job, but Sylvester Stallone's career went ok:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Party_at_Kitty_and_Stud%27s
That's a good point, although calling him a male porn actor is a bit of a stretch.
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Closest thing I can think of is Ricardo Milos of meme fame, who very much tried to distance himself from that moment in his life once people found him.
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I haven't checked this factoid or watched the video, but the guy from the meme porn with a female pool guard in his bathtub apparently became a priest afterward.
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My intuition is that no guy watching (straight) porn -- which is the overwhelming majority of its market, from what I can tell -- actually pays any attention to the male actors. I'd bet eye tracking would show a big lack of interest in that part of the screen, and I'd bet relatively few viewers could pick such a guy out of a lineup even an hour later if not prompted to pay attention beforehand. So I'd bet getting outed for that is much less of a concern, although probably not unheard of.
But I would be curious if there are any data or anecdotes the other direction.
Men are typically aroused more visually and often engage in sexual comparison.
Some examples that results in this engaging with the male participant in porn:
Is my dick bigger? Smaller? Better looking? Also studies show men are more engaged with the penis in porn than woman typically (because again, visual). Lesbian porn is more popular with straight woman than you'd expect, and less popular with straight men than you'd expect for this (and other) reasons.
In the case of amateur porn especially, "can I get this girl" which involves look at the involved male model and figuring out if for some reason the watcher can steal his woman.
Self-insert. Sometime the fantasy is "I could be the one here." As with video games this involves observing the avatar for similarity.
A lot of this is unconscious behavior so people without an excessive amount of insight into their porn habits are unlikely to be aware, but eye tracking would likely be supportive.
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I will not tolerate this disrespect to the greatest american alive. Soldier, doctor, firefighter, astronaut, viking warrior, loving father, Johnny Sins has done it all.
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There's also plenty of straight porn where the only parts of the male's body that's ever visible on screen are parts that are normally not visible except in extremely private/intimate settings. Even if someone paid maximal attention to the male in the porn, there simply isn't enough information in the video for the viewer to identify the male in non-intimate settings. And even in those, our brains are very well developed for distinguishing between and identifying individuals based on things like the shape of their face and, AFAIK, not very well developed for doing so based on things like the shape of their penis.
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