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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022

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but entryism by pedos

This seems antagonistic and inflammatory; it seems extremely unlikely that pedos wanted to ban sports and scouts for boys (like, wouldn't they advocate for that instead?) If you're going to use phrasing like this you need to back it up.

edit: Revoked after further discussion!

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@applesauceirishcream has the right of it—entryism doesn’t mean gatekeeping, but strategic infiltration.

Mind you, “the gay rights movement covered for pedophiles” is still pretty inflammatory, and I’d like to see a source.

I don't think I understand your objection. I was under the impression that "entryism" was a strategy based on infiltration and subversion, but not necessarily sabotage.

Here, the claim seems to me that 1) the standard goal of sports and scouting for boys is recreational, 2) pedophilic coaches/scoutmasters joined the organizations to gain access to children for illicit purposes, and 3) these purposes are sufficiently divergent from the standard goal that entryism is a fair description of this infiltration/subversion process.

For example, one of the classic examples of entryism is the long march through the institutions, like academia. I don't think that Marxist entryists into academia wanted to "ban" colleges and universities; they just wanted to use the accumulated prestige to advance their own ideological mission. So long as the universities maintained positions of prestige, the entryists have no reason to undermine their continued operation.

Here, the claim seems to me that 1) the standard goal of sports and scouting for boys is recreational, 2) pedophilic coaches/scoutmasters joined the organizations to gain access to children for illicit purposes, and 3) these purposes are sufficiently divergent from the standard goal that entryism is a fair description of this infiltration/subversion process.

Yes! That is an excellent description of entryism. The quick and dirty version goes: 1. Identify a respected institution. 2. kill it. 3. gut it. 4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.

Ah, I misread a little - I thought it said "there used to be".

I'm still skeptical, I think the perception of pedophiles everywhere is a lot stronger than how many actually exist. But, yeah, fair.

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