TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
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TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
2hr ago
How many examples with how many upvotes would i have to provide to convince you that it's not a fluke? How explict do they have to be? Will you accept plain language at its meaning, or should i expect you to play the old "defund the police doesn't literally mean defunding the police" card?
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
7hr ago
The Virgin Nietzche vs Chad Aristotle.
Nice strawman. But even the most hardcore HBD believers would accept that the worst whites are likely worse in some aspects than the best non-whites.
I have seen it argued on multiple occasions right here on the Motte that racial background is the "most dispositive" factor in determining human behavior. That is to say that a person's race will tell you more about how they are likely to behave than whether they are male or female, young or old, married or single, rich or poor, urban or rural, republican or democrat, etc...
By extension wether a man is black or white must matter more than whether they are an aged Supreme Court Judge or a Twenty-something meth head. You may claim that the Motte is not representative of the HBD movement or that when users here say things like "most dispositive" or "predictive" they don't actually mean it literally, but it's not a strawman.
My problem with HBD as it typically discussed in rationalist spaces and especially the Motte is that it is itself a massive Motte and Bailey.
The Motte is that broad differences between racial groups are real/exist.
The Bailey is that the existence of such differences makes racial background the "scientifically correct" means of organizing a society and a key peice of information to be considered when evaluating the individual performance or value of any given person within it.
People who question the Bailey are routinely downvoted to hell and back while being derided as "blank slatists" "denying reality" and having "crippled thinking", yet even if "the motte" is true, its not clear to me that "the baily" follows naturally from this unless someone is already drowning in the woke kool-aid.
You can spongebob meme at me about "dEmoCrAtSaReThErEaLRaCiStS uwu" and call me cringe, but if the truth is "cringe" then cringe i shall be.
As i touched upon below i am increasingly convinced that the reason HBD and other sweeping generalizations about race are so popular amongst priestly caste (academics, politicians, journalists, et al) and on certain parts of Twitter, is that it allows them to absolve themselves of responsibility for the negative consequences actions. You can't blame me, it is genetics (or some structural "ism") that are the true culprits!
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
9hr ago
Part of the problem was that the left was too successful in casting things like HBD and culture being deep as unthinkably racist. They were extremely taboo on the mainstream right.
This is not what happened at all.
The Republican party chose it's name as an allusion to Plato and classical (pre-Imperial) Rome. A focus on individual virtue/responsibility coupled with a distaste for collectivism bordering on taboo have been consistent threads on the US right going back at least as far as reconstruction, and it is the US left that has been consistently pushing back against that taboo in an effort to promote collectivism/class consciousness.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
1d ago
No, what @iprayiam3 is talking about predates Christianity by atleast a thousand years its the main driver of conflict in half the great greek tragedies as well as the philosophies of Plato and Aristotle.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
2d ago
It hasn't "failed" so much as been undermined and attacked at every turn by our so-called elites and the rise of MAGA is in large part a reaction against this. If you aren't down with making America great you can get the fuck out.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
2d ago
DemsRRealRacist
It is true that there is a set of people in the United States who believe in inate differences between races and want to see those differences reflected in policy. It is also true that the overlap between that set and the set of people who regularly vote Republican is minimal at best.
As a pedantic private pilot, Jet-A burns between 900 and 1500 degrees Celsius depending on the ratio of fuel to oxygen.
As an amateur blacksmith, mild structural steel (ie the sort I-beams are made of) may not be a liquid at 1100 degrees Celsius, but it is very "bendy".
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
4d ago
Higer education may result in lower rates of cumming inside, but that doesn't matter if what you are measuring is is the rate of conception vs rate of cumming inside when doing so could be expected to result in conception.
In @hydroacetylene's defense the OP has been pretty open (both on the motte and elsewhere) about their belief in the significant "eugenic benefits" of maximizing access to abortion in states with large populations of negroes and/or Trump voters even if they have never clearly stated what those benefits are supposed to be.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
5d ago
MAGA is/was strongly opposed to sending troops to Iran, and is broadly in favor of how things actually played out. There is no contradiction there.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
5d ago
DeSantis' problem was a combination of timing (he would have been giving up his governorship if elected POTUS) and the fact that no one wants the diet option when they can have the real thing.
You can take solace in the fact that he's still under 50 and well positioned to run again in 2028 or '32 depending on how things shake out.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
5d ago
Presumably because she is being "low-class"
This is a meme that goes all the way back to the 17th century.
I think it was Cervantes who quipped about how "In her eagerness, a new wife may accomplish in 6 months what would ordinarily take a woman 9" 😉
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
5d ago
using a less-effective, lower-class method
...aaand the penny drops. That's what this is actually about isn't it? Class. You see the sexually liberated, zero responcibilty, girlbosses as exemplified by Gossip Girls and Sex and the City as aspirational and high class, and it's bothering you that others disagree.
There are other reasons to be skeptical of mRNA vaccines. Reasons that happen to be particularly relevant given the subject of the OP.
Because heritability keeps coming up "missing".
People obeserve the world around them and see fucked up kids coming from successful parents, successful people with fucked up parents, and siblings (even twins) who's attitudes and outcomes diverge wildly from eachother. Observations that would all appear to contradict the strict hereditarian model.
Finally people observe that academia appears to be hopelessly culturally compromised, see the Marxist (and deeply anti-Western) origins of Id-Pol/CRT, and @FCfromSSC's comments on materialism.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
6d ago
Any number of things, thats the point. Social status, economic status, family dynamics, cultural affiliation, level of interest, environmental factors (hot/cold, wet/dry, average exposure to sunlight).
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
6d ago
It matters because if "spooky undetectable woo" or even "ordinary detectable woo" such as cultural affiliation, economics, or social status can be demonstrated to have an effect, it will (at a bare minimum) weaken the genetic hypothesis, and if the effec sizes are large enough wreck it outright.
Niether of those manage to refute anything ive said. Again i feel like you are mixing neccesary with sufficient and trying to control the conversation by controlling the null hypothesis. Asserting that because i have not shown x i must accept y but i am under no such obligation.
I have yet to encounter a serious IQ hereditarian who believes that the environment plays no role.
Then you must be new here (that or The Motte doesn't meet your criteria for "serious") because i have had precisely that argument multiple times here in the last 6 months, including with at least one user active in this very thread.
It is required if there are numerous potential varieties/mechanisms of heritability other than genetic.
I feel like you are conflating neccesary and sufficient conditions. A non-materialist model of the universe can readily accommodate physical elements. But a materialist model can not readily accommodate the non-physical.
The strong arguments for heritability being purely genetic are premised on the assumption of a deterministic universe. The existence of non-material causes would cast doubt upon this premise, and by extension the conclusion.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
6d ago
The fundemental problem the hereditarians face is that thier entire edifice rests on an assumption that biology, psychology, and anthropology are not only rigourous and mechanisistic, but sufficiently understood that outcomes can be manipulated in a near deterministic manner. This is manifestly not the case.
Sure biology may be more rigorous than psychology which is in turn more rigourous than anthropology, but none of them are even in the same zip code (much less the same ballpark) as electrical engineering.
The correlation is weak at best and even if it was strong, the same source in 2024 tells a different story.
In the meantime, being in a heterosexual marriage appears a more reliable predictor of voting preference than either racial or party affiliation.
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