FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
And every gimmick hungry yob
Digging gold from rock n roll
Grabs the mic to tell us
he'll die before he's sold
But I believe in this
And it's been tested by research
He who fucks nuns
Will later join the church
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FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
16m ago
I've never heard it that way, but I'm sure the prots have different versions of everything. The way I've generally heard it is that they're all going down except for the 144,000 who are saved.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1hr ago
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1hr ago
Why is single motherhood bad for democracy?
I also think you need to look to your bubble if you don't see anti-single motherhood content out there. I still know a few guys with the traditional truck sticker on the topic.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1hr ago
The strawman drawn here is actually kind. The Strawman of a Christian Zionist is something like:
The Jews must regain control of Israel as a prerequisite of the second coming of Christ and the end of the world. We wish well to Israel as a nation for this reason, but this will ultimately not go well for the Jews in Israel: 144,000 will convert to Christianity last minute beating the buzzer, the rest will be damned to eternal hellfire.
I do agree that all positions of biblical Christian zionism are bad, ignorant, and evil.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2hr ago
It's that any time there's a large age difference there's a presumption that the guy is in it for the sex and the woman is in it for the money.
This is a big part of it. Consider also that an older, wealthy man is typically going to have existing children/heirs who are expecting his resources and attention, which is now being taken by a young floozy.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2hr ago
Glad you got there first.
Bill is both probably the greatest football coach of all time, and the co-leader and spirit animal of a Patriots organization that was ontologically evil during the dynasty years. He got caught cheating twice, and there's no doubt in anyone's mind that there were other creative strategies that were never (publicly) found.
No one cares that he (was) banging a influencer, it was mostly just hilarious to see them together.
Can you typically tell whether an MLB pitch is a ball or a strike without seeing a replay/specialized camera view?
Yes, absolutely, and the dispute about this is making me realize this is largely a difference in perception at the level of baseline skill, I played baseball but never competitive hockey. I can tell balls from strikes to a reasonable certainty when watching on TV, though I'm very vulnerable to catcher framing. Live is a little tougher depending on angle of the seats.
I guess I don't understand the complaint -- typically it seems like people are saying that they can't see the puck at all -- but you are saying more like "90mph slapshots are hard to track"?
It's not a complaint in the sense of "this should be different;" it's a fact about the sport that makes it more difficult to enjoy on TV compared to football or basketball.
That is true, but I'm not sure it's that big of a problem -- for another example, does it bother you when they bring out the chains to see whether a football team has made first down?
Chains are normally for close plays, where it was difficult to see to begin with. But yes, it would bother me if the TV broadcast was regularly showing an obvious first down, and then the refs informed me that it wasn't, or vice versa. At some point that would really take away from the aesthetic enjoyment of the game, if I just never knew what was going on until someone told me.
I think it's bad when instant replay is necessary to determine, for example, what is a catch and what isn't, or when the TV angle seems to show an obvious first down and after review they determine something utterly opposite to what it looked like happened based on some obscure rule about forward progress. I hate seeing a play that looks like an amazing touchdown, and then it gets called back on instant replay because a toe was a centimeter over the line, so small that that it was impossible
I imagine most TV producers would agree that their goal is to present the game to the viewer in such a way that the viewer comprehends the action intuitively without needing to be told what was happening. Most innovations in sportscasting have been about aiming for that goal of making the game intuitive: the yellow first down line, the digital strike zone on broadcast, highlighting players or zones of the field.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
I'm watching it right now -- yes I know what happens, I'm watching it anyways!
Cheers, I got up at 5 to get through my morning chores, mass, and get a little toasted for the final. Fantastic game. Absolutely heartbreaking olympics for Canadian hockey.
it's a hard shot that bounces out -- this is hard to be sure about sometimes even for the refs and players! That's why there's a goal judge sitting behind the net. In this case it looks like it might have bounced off some of the crap they've got stationed inside the net; in the past you'd mostly see the impact on the netting, but there's still the rear bars -- normally there's a noise though.
Ok, I think we're on the same page here, you agree that there are some plays that are basically impossible to perceive directly for a casual audience. I think there are more plays in hockey where I have a distinct lag in perceiving what is happening than there are in other major team sports, and that this holds it back in ease of spectator interest compared to the other major team sports.
I like hockey well enough, but I think tv content and youth costs are the biggest things hurting hockey's mainstream popularity.
If you think hockey is bad you should try watching lacrosse -- crowd injuries used to be a major problem there for people who didn't follow the action. Now I think there is dumb netting all over the place so people can safely focus on their beer.
I wonder if professional lacrosse ever makes it big, if I'm capable of forming team loyalties anymore.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
Watching that goal, I see him shoot it, I track it briefly in flight, I don't really see it going in just bouncing out after. Absent the commentary and player reactions, they could just keep playing and I'd assume it didn't go in. In baseball I can easily track flyballs, so a lot of it is probably that baseline skill/experience issue. But that does serve to make the game less accessible, for the vast majority of people who aren't already hockey fans or former players.
Sick final though. Trading two teeth for the gold medal in OT is legendary.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
One of the most common memes among men online is that women have it insanely easy. One can easily see the trap that a confused man could fall into.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
but just because you can look masculine doesn’t mean you can act masculine. Even if you convincingly manage to imitate masculinity, it’s still just a façade.
Who manages to act masculine in a fallen world where the Secretary of War has a makeup studio in the pentagon, the president loves broadway musicals, and the Bears QB paints his nails?
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
Whelp, guess you'll just have to work on yourself, if you plan to migrate.
Sure, but at that point I'm not really watching the game of Hockey, I'm watching the reactions of the players to the game of Hockey. Yes, I can pretty much follow who has possession of the puck, but I can't really see the puck being shot or going into the net in real time. For Larkin's goal against Slovakia I can't process the movement of the puck during the shot to know whether the shot went in or not prior to seeing the player reactions. I don't actually know what is going on if the broadcast cut off before the reaction. Where I can see that Devonta Smith caught the dagger, or a VJ Edgecome put back, or a penalty kick. I suppose if I spent 10,000 hours watching hockey, I might acquire the perception "at the level of baseline skill" to pick up the puck going into the net, but like, why? To impress rich kid Canadians?
Due to the pace of hockey, one pretty much has to be glued to the screen to get anything out of it in real time. I have to be watching and focusing to perceive what's going on, not chatting with guests or cooking dinner. Where baseball and football (both, in their own unique ways) are so slow that I can mostly just look up every now and then and not miss anything important; and also enjoy them audio only, where hockey audio just sounds like a random listing of mixed English and slavic names.
I actually think one of the downsides, or overapplications, of instant replay has been that increasingly I can't see live whether something is a "catch" or a "foul ball" or a "goaltend." Instant replay should mostly be for situations where the ref had a bad angle on it and the whole world can see he was wrong, not for Zapruder film style breakdowns looking for whether a single toe touched the line, or talmudic interpretations of what constitutes a "football move."
FWIW, I don't think the problem of the inferior product being more watchable is limited to hockey. MMA, depending on the meta of the time and styles making fights, has often suffered from lay'n'pray championship bouts that were like watching paint dry; while undercard fights between two bar bums can be exciting as hell. March Madness is a strictly superior entertainment product to the NBA, pound for pound, despite the fact that even a poverty franchise like the Sacramento Kings would rip through every college team like butter.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1d ago
Exactly. The NFL became a dominant TV product in no small part thanks to animating the first down marker on the field. When I watch football at home, I have strictly more information more easily than I have watching in person (where I'm mostly just yelling obscure taunts about the opposing team).
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
I'm a big fan of Liu winning gold, in that I knew some competitive figure skaters years back and they were just so brutalized by the sport by the time they were 20. She looked a lot more normal than most figure skaters, you can tell she spent a year or two not starving herself.
At the same time, I can't imagine how pissed off the other girls must be that she could just take a break and come back.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
Luckily things are looking to be a bit more stable now at least.
Not bloody likely. Trump is going to threaten to put tariffs on again, making very unclear when things will be settled.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
Problems for Hockey that hold it down:
-- You can't see the puck on TV. The author in the linked article defends that you don't need to, but that's kinda goofy, and also pretty telling that he isn't saying "yes you can," he admits it is a problem even if he claims that it shouldn't keep you from liking hockey. Not being able to see the ball in any other sport is an immediate crisis.
-- It's freakishly expensive for kids in the USA. Travel team hockey costs around $7-15k/yr and some higher than $20k. That's crazy numbers. Competitive youth golf is cheaper than that. That's getting into "cost to keep a horse" territory in a lot of places. While travel teams are a problem in all sports, the rest of the big team sports in America still have a viable path for a kid who joins rec league teams and then makes the high school team. In hockey there's very little pipeline to the NHL other than through elite youth programs. It's a rich kid sport.
-- The population center of gravity in the US keeps shifting south, and even the northeast has had mild winters preventing ponds from freezing to safe levels in recent years, so nobody is playing hockey outside the way it was meant to be played.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
I don't think a parliamentary system would typically find itself in this particular mess, where the executive wants to do something that he could not possibly find the votes for in the legislature.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
2d ago
Another win for the free market, another win for the free people.
Another moment of absolute chaos, in which half-assed policies make it basically impossible for the hypothetical manufacturer looking to plan to produce goods in America to plan ahead and invest.
I'm digging women's hockey this olympics, for the obvious patriotic reasons. I'm actually thinking it's a vastly underrated women's sport: the level and pace of play actually makes it more watchable than the men's, the girls are pretty and normal. It's much more entertaining than women's soccer, and the players are much easier to like than women's basketball.
But at any rate, the culture war angle interesting to me: lesbians have fallen off hard as a sexual fantasy, while at the same time homosexual men have surged, compared to when I was young.
At twelve in boy scouts, there was a common dirty joke: Right (index finger inserted into thumb and finger loop), Wrong (two index fingers bumping into each other), Fun to Watch (two thumb and finger loops bumping into each other). This more or less reflected the common understanding of homosexuality at the time (and our painfully stupid understanding of sex): two guys hooking up was disgusting and bad, two women making love was maybe not normal or moral but boy was it hot. This was reflected in media like The L Word (which my painfully square sister loved), episodes of shows like Sex and the City, etc. A woman could dip her toe in gay, or be turned on by lesbians, without it permanently scarring her as a partner, the male gaze was happy to absorb the content. Gay men were almost never eroticized, they were generally treated as jesters or sexless, gay sex took place exclusively off-screen. Lesbians reached acceptance through straight male and female masturbatory fantasies, gay men through pushing what was really happening as far out of mind as possible.
Compare to today, where Heated Rivalry is such a hit that seemingly every woman is flicking the bean to it, and women's hockey appears to be doing it for real and no one cares. Heated Rivalry has a huge following for the fantasy of maybe, what if, somehow, there were two gay guys in the NHL and they were actually good at hockey? Where we have like a dozen confirmed lesbian couples in the olympics playing against each other, and I'm not seeing any dirty fantasies about it. We've lost the raunch culture, the male focused Vulgar Wave of entertainment. There's not the Bulldog Briscoe to bark lasciviously and yell "hot" after every mention. What culture seems to be saying is that we've gone from Right Wrong Fun to Watch, to Right Right Who Cares.
Is this a fall-off in the lesbian fantasy in particular among younger straight men and women? Is it a fall off of male sexual power versus female sexual power? Is it the painful wokism of modernity? Am I just not looking at the right media?
Come on boys, let's get out there and RETVRN to tradition and objectify some female athletes when the pads come off!
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
3d ago
It's all in the context, Conservatives under Julian the Apostate were probably all about the importance of sodomy as part of growing up the way the great fathers of Rome did.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
3d ago
Look within yourself, there's a conservative inside you.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
3d ago
I'm not debating their CW bona fides, just the goofiness of it. It's embarrassing.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
3d ago
Pruning and uprooting are quite different tasks and philosophies.
...I feel like I can name five or six that I know closely pretty easily? I'm not even sure how to process this question. Do you not know divorced people?
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