Chi_Wara
8mo ago
I was delightfully surprised by the Walt Bismarck post. It’s a level of empathy toward blacks you don’t usually see on the “Dissident Right”
Chi_Wara
8mo ago
But the solution doesn’t run through CRT, it revolves around whether this separatism is something the black community wants to change, and even if it is, whether it can.
Well, that’s just the issue right? Defeating black separatism would have to involve a fundamental change in the social dynamics that give rise to seperatism. Namely ghettoization and outcome gaps.
But the central premise of “HBD” is that changing that is basically impossible because we’re just worse than every other group. So I guess we’re just fucked then.
Chi_Wara
8mo ago
The article by Hanania is genuinely infuriating because while he gets it right that a majority of African-Americans see politics through the lens of race, neither he nor the comments can seem to figure out WHY this is. Instead they just shake their heads and go “man, those Negroes, why are they so unreasonable?”
This is a genuine blind spot amongst the right IMO. Because actually understanding the historical roots of this dynamic that might lead to an actual SOLUTION, would require actually engaging charitably with (dramatic pause)
CRITICAL RACE THEORY!!!
(horror movie thunder sound cue)
Which of course, they won’t do.
Chi_Wara
8mo ago
What is usually claimed is that nowhere in Sub-Saharan Africa do we find any evidence of written language, of the invention of the wheel, or of two-story buildings. Do you dispute these claims?
If your claim is that these things were not widespread in Sub-Saharan Africa or were more "primitive" than they were in another places then no I don't dispute that.
But to claim that those things were non-existent in Black Africa is just inaccurate. See Ajami, Nsibidi, Adinkra, etc.
Chi_Wara
8mo ago
There were many hundreds of African societies pre-Colonization with their own codes of conduct and methods for enforcing it.
You don't need to tell me this. Pre-colonial Africa has been my main focus of study as an aspiring historian. I admit that even as a HBD-convert that one of the fallacies that the majority of that crowd seems to subscribe to is the idea that literally all of Black Africa was in the Stone Age pre-European contact which I know for a fact is wrong.
Chi_Wara
8mo ago
I'll be honest, I agree with @Ben___Garrison below that this post is just a little too pat, reads just a little bit too much like someone trying to flatter the preconceptions of certain Motters, and indicates just a little too much awareness of those issues to be someone new here. And there are a few other flags I won't discuss publicly that make me suspect you are a return guest.
I swear I'm not a troll, and I'm genuinely new here. I came here mainly because I know it's a forum where most users seem to be pro-HBD but not in a 4chan racist way
So, as an (alleged, sorry, I am still suspicious) black man, what would you suggest should be the message to the black community, if you really believe that the worst implications of HBD are true?
I don't know, and that's the problem
My essay for next weeks thread is mostly going to be about racial sociology, black existentialism, the origins of "wokeness", why this HBD-realization is so devastating to me, and why it can often be hard for us (black people), to separate facts about the group we belong to from assessments of our individual self-worth. So stay tuned for that ig
Chi_Wara
8mo ago
As a black person...I really really really don't want HBD to be true
This doesn't mean I think it's wrong. It's just that I think that the conclusions you'd have to draw from it being correct are just so awful for me.
I view it as nothing short of tragic that a people who suffered so much due to being viewed as inferior, who struggled for so long to be viewed as equals and treated with dignity, who endured all kinds of injustices in the hope that we would overcome...only for science to prove that it was fruitless all along. It's so dispiriting the possibility that all the problems in our community: crime, poverty, ignorance, are intransient. How are you supposed to deal with that without becoming utterly nihilistic?
I'll probably have a longer more essay-type post for next week's thread but I just want to get my raw emotions about it out here before then.
It's just so unfair. It fills me with anger and sadness and rage and I can't stop thinking about it. I don't want it to be true...I don't want it to be true. It's so unfair
Isn't the HBD argument that Jews are overrepresented in these circles because they average higher-IQ?
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