ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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11d ago
And it ended because a teenager died.
I don't know if it was the same incident, but I also recall a story about a black kid dying because a bunch of lefties filled his car with bullets, and immediately went on twitter to brag about how they killed a fascist (and then promptly purged the tweets). Though I thought that happen earlier in the zone's existence, and it went on for a week or two more after that.
ArjinFerman
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11d ago
ArjinFerman
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11d ago
This is not true whether we're talking about Nazis or about violent leftists.
Why do you recon not a single leftwinger stood up and said that, back when it was a fashionable thing to say, even on our forum?
ArjinFerman
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11d ago
If this was true at all, why does the accusation of manipulation against RT have to be so dogshit?
Because the public does not have access to their source code, their communications, their frontend or backend., which is how we found out about the other companies manipulating their results.
It's very easy to conceive of them as anti spam bot/impersonation/algorithm manipulation etc measures
It's very easy to conceive of any smoking gun evidence as something mundane, but when someone explicitly says they don't use a particular measures for ranking, and their leaked documentation says they do, a rational actor usually assumes bad faith on the part of the party making the declaration.
Funny then that so many of your examples are still highly debated, even in conservative circles like Khelif.
Khelif is highl debated in the same sense vaccines are highly debated, your attempt to dismiss a chromosome test with vague assumptions about the culture of a country you've never been to is probably worse than most anti-vaxx arguments.
But yes, this proves all the conspiracy theories are true after all
You're the one that brought the "this is what conspiracists say in these other cases, therefore you're wrong argument". If it works one way, it works the other way as well (or, you know, it was dishonest to make it from the start).
ArjinFerman
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12d ago
That's when the sun doesn't shine on it:
often to describe rough, stormy seas.
If the right can rally around scandals as first world problem as "a beer brand did a promo with a trans tiktoker as part of their plan to recruit more customers" and "the mnm is less sexy" then certainly they could rally around greater scandals.
It's not a greater scandal. Websites secretly manipulating their algorithms / whatever results they present is completely normal now.
Or consider that just like the false claims of manipulated review scores, these also lack anything actually substantial to rally around so everyone cared more about sexy candy.
Ok, let's consider it. In a world where these claims are completely false, I don't expect to see Twitter moderator frontend screenshots getting leaked with accounts being tagged with terms like "search blacklist" or "trends blacklist", and for external tools that check whether an account was shadowbanned to exist, or Google API documentation leaks that show that in their ranking algorithm they keep track of attributes they deny have any relevance (including one literally called "smallPersonalSite".
"It turned out it was true all along" is one of my favorite type of arguments however.
Yes, it's a great argument! Whether we're talking about the dual wielding Scottish girl having been sexually assaulted by migrants all along, Imane Khelif being a man, transgender medicine not being based on sound science, and the most renowned pro-trans medical association being fully aware of it, and deliberately hiding the fact, the "It turned out it was true all along" argument is popular as it shows how little regard for facts self-styled "anti-conspiracists" have.
It would be a big deal if actual manipulation could be shown and proven, particularly if it happened constantly and wasn't just a one off like "oh this reviewer got caught in a bribery scandal".
You're just repeating the original assertion, not explaining why you believe it's true.
The big issue is that most of the time when people claim to find something like that they're wrong
I disagree. People claimed that social media was shadowbanning and limiting their them based on their politics, it was called a conspiracy theory, and ended up being 100% true for multiple social media platforms. People thought Google is deranking independent websites, people like you called it conspiracy theory, and it turns out to be 100%, and so on, and so on...
Manipulating algorithms you have power over is completely normal. Your insistence that it would cause any sort of scandal strikes me as extremely naive and baseless.
ArjinFerman
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13d ago
Would be a big deal if true
Why? Few would notice, and those that noticed would be ignored. To they extent they're not ignored, you'd have a good chunk of people coming up with arguments for why it's not true. Even if it somehow came out that it definitely is true, people would just shrug, like they did with the "far right conspiracy theory" of shadowbanninf on other social media.
Doesn't sound like a big deal to me.
ArjinFerman
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13d ago
I changed to monster-projectile collision model from circle-circle to circle-rectangle, it should give me a bit more flexibility with what I can do with the projectiles. I still have to add an offset factor so the collision box isn't necessarily centered at the projectile location, and I still have to test it fully, but so far it seems to be doing what I want.
During the tests I was playing with the parameters the simulation. I managed to smooth out the monster-monster collision so they don't get stuck on each other so much. I also thought I could later incorporate some of the parameters into the game mechanics, like adding a time slowdown, or a "gravity bomb" that could pull all the monsters and crush them, but for now that's heading to the backlog.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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13d ago
I had to go back and check if I'm getting ripped off.
No... it's just the VAT...
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13d ago
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
Who's building all those mosques on Texas, and electing Mamdanis?
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
It still seems pretty contradictory to me. In particular this:
Immigrants in our countries are people who are fleeing mortal danger and desperate conditions
and this:
Palestinians are hardened blood drenched terrorists, all of them are taught to hate and kill since the earliest age.
Are the same picture. I suppose you could some "desperate conditions" are economic in nature, but a lot of the immigrants being shipped to Europe were/are from active war zones, with a culture and mentality bit that different from the Palestinian one.
Also when it comes to survival, I'd say the Jews as a coherent group have more years ahead of them then either of the Balts. And it's not even a factual disagreement, liberals usually just shrug at the prospect of any European-descended group being dissolved. It's seems to be a values disagreement, where they only care about one group surviving, despite their pretense of having universalist principles.
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
The US census considers MENA people white, but I think that if you asked the average competent user of English, "Are Arabs white?", "Are Turks white?", or "Are Iranians white?", they would answer "no", and if so, then I think Mizrahim cannot count as white either.
If you asked them to arrange the groups according to how closely related they are to each other, how far from Europeans do you think an average English speaker would put them, relative to other non-European groups?
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
We were being told it's a single internet user, or just a couple crazy kids on the Internet, for years. It then turned out that, among many potential consequences, expressing a contrary opinion can get you fired. Trying this argument again is just insulting to anyonr whp hasn't spent the last 10 years in a comma.
ArjinFerman
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15d ago
That's cool, but how are you any less of a partisan hack?
ArjinFerman
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15d ago
Damn, what do you think might happen? Will quality of research get so bad that half of all studies won't replicate? Will doctors start pumping kids full of hormones, and chopping off body parts for no reason? Will AI engineers allocate significant resources to making it more stupid?
ArjinFerman
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16d ago
You also get a discount the longer you subscribe. My all products license costs me ~20€ per month right now.
ArjinFerman
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16d ago
I don't mean this as a gotcha question.
No worries, I didn't take it as such, but the question is a lot deeper than it looks like at first glance.
Even though I don't think the 2 particular issues would come up here, as it's hard to make money off anthropology, so I don't see how market pressures or short term fads could enter here, generally I don't think there's a systemic solution. We've spent the last 80 years trying to replace human virtue with systems that will force good behavior on bad people, and all we ever got for it was Goodhart's Law up the wazzoo. Whatever rule you come up with will be gamed the same way peer review and the h-index were.
The other solution of a strongman entering and cleaning up house also has issues, in that some people think the ivory tower is also supposed to be isolated from political pressures. There are many reasons why this is at best unsustainable, at at worst impossible, ranging from "you may be not interested in politics, but politics is interested in you" to the frequent theme of FCFromSSC posts: "the only reason something felt apolitical in the past is that our values were largely converged in the past, and we'll never get it back now that we have values divergence".
Now, just because there doesn't seem to be a fix that doesn't risk other issues, doesn't detract from the fact that something must be done. If our attempt to insulate academia from outside influence ended up in the setting up little cults, we have to get rid of the cults, even if that results in other issues.
ArjinFerman
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16d ago
There's a handful of users that would be entitled to make this criticism. Do you, with your comment history, really honestly think you are one of them?
As opposed to LvMI-style libertarians, who I don't count as libertarian because the only liberty they actually care about is the right of racists to be racist, and who have mostly gone full MAGA-authoritarian now anyway.
I'm one of those that has mostly gone MAGA-authoritarian, and I don't find resting everything on the principle of liberty particularly sane anymore, but somewhere in there there's an interesting conversation about why does freedom of association mean only caring about the right of racists to be racist, but backing explicitly racial civil rights policies somehow doesn't, or why is being against immigration "authoritarian" but it doesn't apply to everything from the Covid response to the Federal Reserve.
Shame that this is just a low-effort jab at your outgroup, and the interesting conversation will most likely not happen.
It's easy to mock this, but let's consider whether that might not be the system that we built, deliberately. The whole point of an ivory tower is to be sealed off from the world.
The steelman argument for the ivory tower is to isolate them from market pressures and short-term fads, so they can focus on higher pursuits, not to create a cult that thinks itself impervious to criticism from anyone that hasn't been initiated into it, but feels entitled to your money at the same time.
Are we talking about legality or morality?
Both. You don't find a lot of people believing volutarily entering into slavery is justifiable.
Morally I see no issue with people selling themselves into slavery if they wish.
Then our values are so far apart, that I don't know if we can come to any sort of an understanding. Aside from the distance I find your moral system incoherent. If consent is the main criterion for morality, to the point that it's fine to sell yourself into slavery, than you shouldn't be shrugging away the lack of child's choice in adoption, circumcision, and "a thousand other things".
No that doesn't follow. Rights and morality are not the same thing either!
I don't see a difference between saying something is morally objectionable and saying "X has a right for Y to not happen to them" or "Z has no right to do Y".
ArjinFerman
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17d ago
Because slaves don't agree to rent out their bodies?
That can't be it, because it's still illegal to willingly sell yourself into slavery.
If you're going to rape someone raping them when they don't know about it is probably more moral than otherwise sure.
I never heard anyone say anything remotely close to "well, at least he drugged her!", so I think this is just flat out wrong.
a drugged woman will wake up and realize what happened
What if she doesn't?
the woman in the coma will face significant health complications and so on and so forth.
What? No one said the rapist has to mistreat her.
Yes! You don't have a right to live, nobody does!
Oh. In this case there is no morality. All your questions make no sense to begin with.
I think "the other way around" is right, though. They didn't take over by becoming popular, they took over by consolidating moderation in their hands (I think right now a handful of people moderates a ridiculous amount of the most popular subs, though I don't remember the numbers), and getting admins to ban opposition.
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