Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
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Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
16hr ago
You don't get to accuse anyone of shirking. We've done this dance before and you have absolutely just faded on multiple occasions, for weeks, after someone took you down point by point. You know this is true and you know many of us remember it.
And nothing in my comment breaks the rules. I have to be civil to you. I don't have to respect your views or your tactics.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
16hr ago
If you can't, or don't want to, then shut the fuck up.
Everything you say about @SecureSignals is true, but you still cannot talk to people like that. He's allowed to do his tiresome thing as long as he follows the rules, and you need to be civil when responding.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
16hr ago
Crushedoranges, if you disagree with anything I have written anywhere you can hit the "reply" button and I will debate you.
People have done that. You ghost when you lose the debate, and then come back to repeat the exact same talking points a few weeks later. You've done this often enough that no one who has the wherewithal to debate you is willing to do it again, so you claim victory because no one will debate you and you pretend your arguments haven't been thoroughly dispensed with multiple times, going back years.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
22hr ago
Well, I can't speak for what everyone's own personal model for what the Motte should be is. However, the mission statement that's been up forever is:
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
I would emphasize "their ideas." To me, using an LLM to pad your posts casts doubt on how much thinking you are actually engaging in or testing, or engaging with the community.
If you view the Motte as a place to find "Truth (tm)" by any means possible, well first of all, good luck. But secondly, sure, I guess at some point that purpose could be fulfilled by people just unleashing AIs to argue with each other.
but the reason should be because the actual end result is bad
See, right now I think the end result of an LLM-written post is bad. It's visibly written by an AI, and in the same way that there is some AI art that's "good" and a lot that basically serves its purpose (draws your RPG character, generates a book cover, whatever), most of it is still in the uncanny/not-quite-human/plastic and slightly "off"/overly-polished yet much of a sameness range. I feel the same way about the majority of AI writing, including smh's post. If you see it, you see it. If you don't... shrug.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
I am powerless to change your opinion here, but know I do what I do for principled reasons and not laziness. You assume the slop will stay slop. It will be better than you, or me, sooner than is comfortable.
When AGI happens, I'll read its output.
If it's good enough that I can't tell, whatever. It is what it is.
Right now, I can still tell.
On a personal level, I write as a hobby with pretensions of someday being published. I would never use AI for my fiction writing, even if you could prove to me that the AI writes better than me, because what's the fucking point?
Will I use AI to draft recommendation letters and consumer complaints and letters of interest and the like? Sure, why not, it's probably an AI reading them.
But this place is for human interaction. If you're not using your own words, what's the fucking point?
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
There are definitely some hysterics who can't stand AI touching anything whatsoever. And like I've said before, if you integrate AI into your work smoothly enough that we can't tell, well, we can't tell. But I think just about everyone who read @self_made_human's OP could spot the AI signature.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
Where is your threshold for "too much"?
I know it when I see it, and when I see AI writing, it's too much.
Come on, spare me the "But what about PHOTOSHOP????? What about SPELLCHECKERS????" I am not an AI newb, nor an AI-hater. But you should not be using AI to generate your words for posting here. That is my opinion, and it will remain my opinion.
After all, there are a lot of people making pure slop. I try not to ever become one of them.
Just 10%-20% slop. That's too much slop.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
Criticizing his use of AI is one thing, but personal attacks are unnecessary.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
That's not the point. LLMs would make many people's writing stronger (for some value of "strong"). I'd rather read your writing, weaker or not. Now when I read you, every point you make, every turn of phrase, every word choice, I don't know if it was you or the LLM. Sure, maybe 80% to 90% of it was you. I can't know, and that makes me not care. I can prompt ChatGPT for its sparkling shiny opinions all day long.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
My man, I quite literally said, in the essay itself, that I used ChatGPT for help. That is not the same as using it to write an essay!
And this, unfortunately, is why I now skim past your posts without reading them.
I did not actually catch the exchange you had 10 days ago with @FCfromSSC. I just now read it to find out what you're going on about.
Bluntly, you are being blatantly dishonest and really damn obnoxious.
I am very comfortable saying this is not a "misunderstanding" or a "difference in perspectives." You're just making shit up and flinging it at the wall. You are very obviously a long-time poster pursuing a grudge (as @naraburns correctly observed in your first appearance here as a "new user"). That FC mistakenly tagged you as a Darwin alt is not surprising, but I concur with him that you are probably not Darwin. You should have just let it go at that, but you've decided to play "Hound the mod."
Enough of that shit.
Banned for a week. This is your one and only chance to drop this. If you come back still spoiling for a fight because your nose is out of joint and you demand satisfaction, you have contributed exactly nothing thus far to make your continued presence here a positive.
Note this has nothing to do you with you being (allegedly) a leftist. It has to do with you being an insufferable jerk.
ETA: Permabanned for post-ban editing, harassment in modmail, and spamming the mod queue by reporting every post on the board.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
2d ago
He got beat up pretty hard by fans for being a Mormon. He did the grovel and "I'm learning" ritual and promised to put some gay characters in his books, which he did, but he handles them about as well as he handles romance. He just can't take the Mormon out of the Cosmere.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
I was very meh on Absolution. Don't know why, but it just didn't do much for me.
I loved the Lensmen books as a kid. May have to give them a reread one of these days.
I did not much like Red Mars. I find KSR dry as dust.
Cormac McCarthy is very hit-or-miss for me. No Country For Old Men is fantastic, and Blood Meridian is one of my favorite books ever. But I have not much liked any of his other books, and I really disliked The Road. It was written like "Literary author thinks he's invented the post-apocalyptic novel."
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
Gods, Brandon Sanderson fans.
"Angsty teen gets superpowers" may not be literally all his characters, but it's present in almost all his books (and if it's not "teen" it's "young adult").
A more accurate description of every one of his books would be "Hero who refuses to bend his/her principles figures out exploits in the magic system to p0wn opponents."
I've read about a dozen Sanderson novels, and at this point I'm pretty much done with him. He usually starts a series with a great premise and interesting characters, and by book two or three I am sick of hitting Every Single Sanderson Trope by the numbers.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
You're only a rightist inasmuch as you're Catholic. You have historically progressive views about women's rights and you're not racist or antisemitic enough.
On the other hand... Catholic.
Sorry, you're up against the wall too.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
There is a difference between, say, responding to a post about Jan 6 with "What about the BLM riots?" (or vice versa) which is annoying whataboutism, and writing a post completely devoid of argument beyond "You suck."
Responding to the latter with "No, you" or "Nuh uh" is indeed juvenile, but there isn't really much else to respond with. The point is such posts should not be written because there is nothing to engage with.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
Is it possible to share space with people who have evil, objectively incorrect viewpoints?
That's for you to decide. But since people who you believe have "evil, objectively incorrect viewpoints" are allowed to share space here, you will have to do so if you want to post here. And you can't just assert that they're evil and objectively incorrect. You have to actually engage with the specific things you think they are wrong about. Not just "Leftists wrong and bad about everything," which is a meaningless and uninteresting statement.
in which case the only purpose of discussion is to make it known that there is such a thing as objective reality
Cool. There is such a thing as objective reality. I daresay almost everyone, including leftists, agrees with that.
This is why when 'affirmative action' type choices are made to platform leftist voices here
We allow anyone to post here, if that's what you mean. Otherwise, this is another meaningless claim.
If the purpose of discourse is to arrive, together, at convergent notions of objective reality in the face of the vast impulse towards fiction and willful delusion, then when do you reject that which is demonstrably evil?
All you're doing is talking in vague generalities.
Write something more interesting.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
But you're not contesting any particular point I'm making
You aren't making any particular point.
merely enacting your authority upon me rather than allowing votes to do their job.
If you just want updoots, you can post about how much you hate your outgroup.
Moderators try to keep every discussion from devolving into "I hate my outgroup!"
The socially constructed nature of reality is an interesting topic.
Sure.
Maybe no one has engaged with it yet
You certainly haven't.
If you're burned out on the culture war topics such that you're policing this as low effort, then maybe that's a you problem.
No, the problem is that you literally are not making an argument. All you're saying is "Leftists bad, we must repeat this so everyone remembers leftists are bad."
Need I remind you, leftists are allowed to post here. We don't have many, but they are around. And if they rolled in to say "We need to remind people that the right is fascist and hates puppies and rainbows. This needs to be repeated so people don't forget that the right is evil," well, they're going to get the same treatment.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
You're either a troll or you just have a very poor model of what a discussion forum is for. If everyone here agreed with you, there'd be nothing to discuss, and if you have something to say that not everyone agrees with, you'll have to actually defend your position, not just say "I object!" or "You lie!"
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
I'm not sure if this is a more interesting post
Not really.
You're just reiterating what you said in the post you're complaining about being modded.
"Boo hiss" is not the substance of the culture war, it's just the soundtrack. Yes, we all hate our enemies. We all enjoy booing them. But if you have nothing more to say than "But, see, leftists really are that bad! They are just the worst! We should boo them!" then...
Okay. And? The people who agree with you will clap and bark like seals. The people who don't will get angry (which you also enjoy). But what is your point? That your enemies are just so bad that there isn't even any point talking about how and why they're bad?
You won't find much sympathy here for leftism. Even the most "liberal" members of the Motte (myself included) are at best the sort of heterodox classical liberal that leftists today call fascists and rightists still promise to put up against the wall with all the progressives. It's rare we have someone truly of the left who sticks around. So maybe it feels comfy for you just say "Leftists-- fucking suck! Amirite?" But that's not really what this place is for.
Talk about Trump's latest shenanigans on X or whether we should be bombing Venezuelan drug boats. Talk about housing, about demographic change, about whether we can coexist with Muslims or blacks, or whether we should try. Talk about 4X games and how woke game devs ruined your childhood. Talk about woodworking or the real estate trends and housing policies in your home town. Talk about China, or AI, or the Brown university shooting, or whether we should be sympathetic to Israel or Palestinians. Talk about science fiction novels and the latest Hugo disasters. Talk about why you're a Mormon or a Catholic or an atheist. Talk about why Indians are suddenly the bete noire of the Internet or whether the Bondi beach shooting was a repudiation or vindication of gun control laws. Talk about how hard it is to date or what's wrong with gender relations. Talk about sports or martial arts or programming or music. Talk about any damn thing in the world, even god-fucking-help-me The Jews!
These are all topics with plenty of culture war valence.
what is there to say, politically, that is worthwhile beyond "I must reproach that which is needing reproach"?
People say a lot here, every day, that is more worthwhile than that. Or at least it's worthwhile if you think there is any point to the Motte at all (and if you don't, then why are you here?)
How long have you been here? Pretty long, I'd wager. I am absolutely certain you're someone who was permabanned in the past, probably for being unable to post anything but how much you hate leftists. I'm not going to ban you for this post just like I didn't ban you for your previous one, but if you have yet to figure out what else is worthwhile to say, then why are you here? There is a lot more going in the world than "Wokes lying about stuff, and I object!"
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
4d ago
Seconding @100ProofToolBooth that this post has many characteristics of AI writing, and looks to me significantly different from your usual writing style.
As we've said, it's not against the rules to use AI to help you write (because we could be wrong, and can never prove it) but come on, people. Most of us would rather read your own error-ridden shady thoughts, typos and all, than your rough draft sanded off by an LLM.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
4d ago
I feel so little empathy toward people whose entire careers have been working for someone else and who suddenly feel betrayed by their employers or afraid of being fired.
Your livelihood is dependent on profiting from a temporary exploit whereby you can make money by unleashing AI slop at scale. When your boom times end (as all such temporary grifts do when everyone gets in on the game and antibodies develop) expect no one to feel empathy toward you. Rather than building a career or connections or creating something of value, you spent your time maximizing your own payoff with the "defect" button.
You seem very proud of this.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
4d ago
One of my oddest encounters in Korea was in a small agricultural city in the boonies, where I was often the first Westerner anyone had met. Some girl I'd just met started going off on how she'd learned that Jews controlled everything in the West and were trying to control the world. She was really vehement about it, too! I asked where she heard this, and she just said "Everyone knows this," and I asked if she'd ever met a Jew or really knew what a Jew was, and of course she hadn't. Really odd, but I guess ZOG really is global!
If Easterners don't care about Jews so much, I wonder what their equivalent minority is.
Other Asians.
There are Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, etc., who don't like Westerners, but that's nothing compared to their animosity for each other.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
7d ago
I've seen this claim too, but I don't remember ever seeing it before Rowling became a bete noire and people were trying to pin antisemitism and racism et al on her.
I once got lectured by a Jewish person that "lizard people" (i.e., the myth about secret aliens controlling the world) is an antisemitic meme. And I'm like... do you really want to insist on that association?
I don't keep links bookmarked like some people do. I guess I would if I wanted to come back and play gotcha later, but you know I know and you know I am not the only one who's noted this. You're fooling no one.
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