sarker
ketman hetman
Suddenly I cannot remember the color of your eyes
Or the things we said as we stood together for the last time
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sarker
ketman hetman
8hr ago
How did you come to a place where you look at Angelus Novus as an "authentically beautiful" work? You imply that it's the result of transforming your sense of delight, possibly repeatedly. What did that look like?
It shouldn't be surprising that the types of people who dedicate their lives to becoming artists or art critics would also tend to converge on certain idiosyncratic aesthetic tastes, naturally and of their own accord, due to whatever shared underlying psychological factors drove them into art in the first place.
This seems to prove too much given how wildly the aesthetic tastes of those people have shifted over the past one thousand years.
sarker
ketman hetman
9hr ago
What you provided was evidence of nearly every stake holder involved saying "this is a bad idea" including PTs themselves.
Are you really trying to equivocate between some PTs being opposed to it and PTs generally being opposed to it? Can this possibly be an intellectually honest claim, when the paper includes a survey of Indiana PTs that reports a supermajority of PTs being in favor of direct access, a survey of final year PT students reporting 85% support, and only five of 29 chapters surveyed reported PTs opposing direct access in legislative hearings? Can I possibly be understanding this line of argument correctly?
And again, the restrictions seem to be reasonable and common sense, again as per your source.
So if I'm getting you, this isn't the AMA's fault, and actually it's a good thing?
Things like "if you try for awhile and it doesn't work you need to escalate the level of care providing therapy that appears to be ineffective."
Weird that at first accusing the AMA of this was a baseless slander but now this is an entirely good thing. Please pick one and only one.
sarker
ketman hetman
11hr ago
Your citation is from 1991 - even with an atypical forum such as this one....most of our posters didn't exist at that time.
Of course, because that's when PTs were agitating for direct access laws that went against what the AMA wanted. By 1989 almost half of the states had a direct access law on the books.
Saying the AMA did a bad thing doesn't become a "slander" just because they didn't do it yesterday.
You are misattributing blame.
It's amazing how despite the fact that the AMA did this it's still misattributing blame to blame the AMA, I guess in this case because they didn't do it recently enough. I need to reaction one of those "women avoiding accountability" memes for doctors.
If the AMA is the villain can you explain why doctors, physical therapists, and even fucking chiropractors were on the same side of the lobbying?
Are you asking me why chiropractors would be opposed to easier access to their competitors? Surely that is obvious?
As for why some PTs opposed it, it's probably because PT training went from certificate programs in the early 20th century to mandated master's degrees in 1979 (and now DPT programs). Lots of physios in in the 80s would have had only a bachelor's degree (or even just a certificate, bachelor's degrees didn't become required until 1960) so it could have been a matter of credentialed physios not wanting physios with less qualifications to have the same patient access, or genuine concerns about the incompetence of the physios with lower qualifications.
sarker
ketman hetman
12hr ago
Infinite didn't. It's just an example - there's Dishonored 2 (2016) and Witcher 3 (2015) (this one really was a nuclear family simulator).
Then there's God of War and its sequel, Yakuza 6, Death Stranding, seriously do I need to go on?
sarker
ketman hetman
17hr ago
Uh yeah I do think lower income people eat peanuts and beans. @hydroacetylene back me up as the resident lower income Hispanic knower.
hand wringing about "food desserts"
Well, the popularity of food desserts is definitely a big problem for obesity.
sarker
ketman hetman
18hr ago
Interesting indeed.
One of the purposes of that sort of restriction is to prevent scams where a PT just bills insurance without doing anything.
What an isolated demand for rigor. What do we do about doctors billing insurance without doing anything? Or car mechanics?
Why does the law need to be involved at all? This is just between me and my insurer, right? If I want to see a physio on my own dime, that's none of their business, but I can't do that indefinitely.
the complaint is essentially baseless slander
Baseless slander, really? Then why did medical associations oppose the direct access campaign? What's your reason for calling something that happened a slander?
does not acknowledge the possibility of other sensible explanations
Please do explain why it's anybody's business if I see a PT for more than 90 days without a referral.
or the reality that the situation has changed in healthcare has changed
Changed how? Since when?
Conspiratorial posts about the AMA have low predictive value
The AMA, like other professional organizations, is literally a conspiracy that seeks to extract benefits for itself first and foremost. I don't see how this can be disputed.
The predictive value here is quite clear - AMA opposition means you may need to jump through some number of hoops to access a PT. So OP should check his local laws. That's it.
sarker
ketman hetman
19hr ago
Boron is mostly found in fruits and avocados, which are generally "middle-class and up fare" in America.
Boron content varies with the soil where the crops are grown, but 1.5 oz of raisins have almost as much boron as half a cup of avocados. Two ounces of peanuts or a cup of refried beans have a similar amount. Raisins, beans, and peanuts are hardly middle class and up fare.
sarker
ketman hetman
19hr ago
That's extremely different from what you said before
Really? Let's double check.
doctor cartels have made it illegal to access PTs indefinitely without a doctor's stamp of approval in many states.
in many states it is illegal to see a PT indefinitely without seeing a doctor.
Are these the same claim? Have I changed my position? Let's get this straight before I respond to your other points.
sarker
ketman hetman
23hr ago
However, the player is still supposed to be the protector patriarch to this android, and is thus, according to the reasoning of Blue Tribers, designed to pander to the toxic fantasies of angry loser males who are otherwise mostly unfit to attract flesh-and-blood women and form families in the real world.
You're still just making this up as far as I can tell. As other commenters noted, games like BioShock have the same framing and everyone loves them.
sarker
ketman hetman
23hr ago
I knew I'd summon you with this comment. You've quite simply cherry picked some reasonable sounding lines and neglected to mention the other conditions.
For example:
"A therapist who has more than one year of experience supervises any therapists licensed for less than one year."
Wow, very reasonable, thank you AMA. That's Minnesota. What other restrictions do they have?
Therapy does not continue beyond 90 days without a referral.
So I stand by what I said - in many states it is illegal to see a PT indefinitely without seeing a doctor.
sarker
ketman hetman
1d ago
sarker
ketman hetman
1d ago
Seems like you kind of made that up out of whole cloth. Do you have any support for this claim? How does a game about (approximately) a single father relate to the nuclear family?
It seems much more likely that this game really is popular among pedos. This is not to say that this was intentional on capcom's part, or that you can't play this game as a normal person, of course.
sarker
ketman hetman
1d ago
this sleazy game feeds into the typical male fantasy of being the protector and patriarch of a nuclear family where he is supposedly owed sex, affection, food, services etc. His subjugated wife is the idealized woman who is virtuous and yet hot, basically a personal slut.
I don't follow. What is the nuclear family here? Who is the wife? Is this not a game where you play as a human with an "android" sidekick that looks like a child?
sarker
ketman hetman
3d ago
Find someone who's been around the block to take you under their wing, ideally a striver and/or middle manager. Endear yourself to them, but don't be cringe.. They can help you get promoted, find a better position in the company as they advance in their career, or help you get your foot in the door if they leave for a better place.
sarker
ketman hetman
3d ago
The fact that they (allegedly) regularly make illegal moves is evidence of it.
It really depends on the model. Some of them don't make illegal moves, or at least do so rarely.
sarker
ketman hetman
3d ago
I don't care about chess,
Really? Then why are you talking about tracking the state of the chess game?
This is just incorrect, and you know it. Stop muddying the waters.
I already said:
I admit I couldn't find examples of people testing LLMs' ability to continually update e.g. a FEN representation of the board.
There's really no need to get so touchy.
sarker
ketman hetman
4d ago
Does your car "analyze different approaches with their respective tradeoffs and implement the solution it thinks best" when you apply the anti-lock braking system?
Can't say my car has ever presented me with multiple options when I press the brakes.
sarker
ketman hetman
4d ago
I admit I couldn't find examples of people testing LLMs' ability to continually update e.g. a FEN representation of the board. However, I did find that (certain) LLMs have actually been able to play chess just given the moves made so far (no actual visualization of the board, no harness) and make legal next moves since 2023. If you have an explanation of how it's doing that with no internal model of the board (as shown in this paper for a toy model), I'm all ears.
Agreed. Let me ask you this: Now that you understand what I meant with the word "database," do you disagree with anything I have said?
I think we agree that LLMs learn from seeing chess games. I don't agree that LLMs aren't modeling chess at all - there seems to be no evidence for this. A thinking trace of a chess game with an LLM would certainly show the LLM trying to think about possible moves and evaluating their trade offs, even in the absence of a game board that it uses to keep state. I'm sure they are more likely to make mistakes if they aren't keeping track of the board, but so are humans.
To be honest, I'm not sure what kind of evidence would change your mind here if existing thinking traces are not enough. Anthropic researchers found that models are doing complex modeling for tasks as simple as deciding when to start a new line when writing text. Looking into a model to really understand how it's modeling something as complicated as a chess game would require a research budget.
Edit: there was a dude who trained a small model on next token prediction and found that it maintains a board state internally. So I guess now we can put this to bed?
Yes, as far as I know, at the moment humans are capable of making and using more sophisticated models of chess than are LLMs. (To the extent that LLMs are capable of making models along the lines you described.)
Sure, in the sense that good human players can beat LLMs at chess. That said, the best models play at a class C level and do significantly better than the average chess.com player, which I think is hard to explain away by appealing to the models having memorized a bunch of openings.
It's not really a butter substitute, you wouldn't have that amount of butter on a sandwich unless you are @Tretiak. The appeal is the flavor and creamy texture.
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