sarker
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Suddenly I cannot remember the color of your eyes
Or the things we said as we stood together for the last time
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sarker
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56m ago
The problem is, there are many more computer science graduates than in 2020.
Sure, but this should be visible in unemployment/underemployment figures and there's nothing there.
There's also a separate issue: hiring is broken, so talented applicants can't get jobs even though there's demand for them. AI makes formerly common benchmarks (like LeetCode) easy to cheat, but even before AI, employers didn't know how to evaluate candidates: ironically, they don't seem to understand what the job they're hiring for actually requires, because many resume screens and interviews have completely unnecessary requirements.
This is a major pain in the ass (recruiters are also, as a rule, retarded). I don't know if AI makes it worse though.
sarker
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59m ago
Darts is an interesting case. A few possibilities are that professional darts players start out as dudes hanging out at the bar, which women don't do. Former Communist countries do their damnedest to scour the earth for the best athletes to send to the Olympics, so it's a more representative view of the best in a population. The more complicated motion of throwing a dart may also advantage men.
sarker
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1hr ago
Seems clear that you aren't reading my responses so this will be the last one.
reduces within cohorts + significant differences between cohorts
No, there's basically zero difference in hassles for married with/without children in each group. The difference in means is tiny compared to the SDs. Differences between Amish and genpop exist for all categories of women.
Married & kids Amish have fewer hassles than unmarried. When number go up it mean hassle go up
Meaningless. Married genpop have fewer hassles than single married.
Hassle one metric. Not best metric. Other metrics for between pops. Metric still evidence. Shows having kids reduce hassle in both pops and between pops. Lower for married w kids. 48 = max stress. 12 = absolutely no stress.
No other metrics besides hassle break out the effect of kids. If you don't like it, please find a better source rather than pretend that it shows something it doesn't.
Better yet - find a wife, have a kid, and let me know how relaxing it turns out to be. I might as well be arguing with an LLM for all the life experience you have in this department. At least the LLM has read more than one study.
sarker
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2hr ago
But nothing you’ve posted indicates that you really know anything about this.
Except, of course, the fact that I know what it's like to raise children, and you don't even have a wife, let alone a child. The life experience gap is massive, and you can't know what you are missing from your side of it.
The evidence you show is that having kids makes little difference to psychosocial hassles for married women, both genpop and Amish. All the benefits are due to being Amish vs being genpop - nothing to do with kids. Even unmarried women have fewer hassles if they are Amish. This is literally what your study says.
Again, why is there no benefit to psychosocial hassles from having kids if kids relax women? why is the only measure that breaks out women by marital and childbearing status show zero effect on the parameter you think is important? This is basically enough to dismiss your claims out of hand.
sarker
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3hr ago
Have you tried making the house deeper than eight meters? I'd be surprised if there were any actual colonial houses of such modest dimensions.
I also find it amusing that the colonial house plan is now colonizing Rus'.
sarker
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3hr ago
How bad is the new grad job market, really? There's been a few high profile layoffs in tech companies, but a lot of those companies had insanely over exuberant hiring during the pandemic (and let me tell you, they hired some absolute howlers). That seems like a much better explanation for layoffs than the AI washing coming out of the C suite as a sop to investors.
Why are they booing the boomer? Well, the left hates AI, and college students are pretty left. Do we need to go any deeper?
sarker
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3hr ago
But if the stairway touches the external wall, it has to fit between the window openings.
You could have a window in the stairwell, offset vertically if necessary to have it a reasonable height off the floor.
sarker
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3hr ago
Don't know much about watches, but based on my careful study of /r/watchescirclejerk, try giving the AD a charcuterie board and a night with your wife if you want to get the call earlier. If you want the privilege to exchange funds for goods you need to go the extra mile.
It'd also be nice to have a Rolex I could give to my future kid(s) to sell when they're middle-aged or senior citizens, since properly-taken-care-of vintage Rolexes seem to be valued highly, so giving them a pretty insurance policy that both I and they could get use out of in the meanwhile seems nice.
I don't think your kids would much care for a watch.
sarker
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3hr ago
Can we talk about the bizarre cast of characters involved in the Hantavirus outbreak?
We've got:
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A Pitcairn Island resident. Pitcairn, population 35, is 400 miles away from the nearest inhabited island and is famous for being settled by mutineers from the HMS Bounty, the descendants of whom pass the time by molesting children. This woman went on a brief pacific tour before quarantining:
The woman had flown from San Francisco on 7 May and travelled through the island of Tahiti and then Mangareva in French Polynesia, the French Polynesian government said.
It's unclear to me how she ended up in SF to begin with.
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A Tristan da Cunha resident. Tristan is the most remote inhabited island in the world (population 221) and the UK military had to airdrop medical personnel and equipment to monitor the case.
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An American woman who "mostly lives in Ecuador".
Perhaps others?
Keep in mind there were about 150 passengers and crew total aboard the MV Hondius during the hantavirus cruise.
I wonder if I can find a traditional Saudi guy to chime in. If he has three wives, then you would be forced to believe whatever he says on this subject
You misunderstand. It's not that I weigh evidence by number of wives. It's that if you don't have a wife and kids you literally have no idea what you are talking about on this topic.
It does by way of the % anxiety or depression and the % feeling overloaded are proxies of relaxation.
None of these are broken out by married/not married/children/no children. You're way overextending the evidence to look at depression rates among Amish vs genpop and claim this is due to kids relaxing women. That's simply not what the study says.
In both groups, the within-group “married with children” are less hassled than never married.
We're going in circles. As I said:
There's no indication that having kids actually changes psychosocial hassles in either population.
Which basically puts to rest "women are relaxed by children". If they're relaxed by children, why is there no meaningful change in psychosocial hassles versus married no children?
And we can compare between these two sets of groups, one set where 32% has 6+ children and the other where only only 4% has 6+ children
6+ pregnancies does not mean 6+ children.
and we find that the one with more children is slightly less hassled while scoring better on anxiety and depression.
The hassle differences exist for all groups. Has nothing do to with kids.
sarker
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15hr ago
I don’t know, I’m just not convinced that your anecdota is valuable here as a generalized principle. There’s no reason for me to think that you have insight into female happiness, nor your wife or female friends.
I'm not talking about happiness. I'm talking about whether they find a particular activity to be relaxing or not.
To whatever extent you doubt my anecdata, consider that you have even less. You don't even have a wife or children of your own!
The study indicates their lifestyle make women pretty relaxing even though they babymax.
The study doesn't measure 'relaxation.' As I already stated:
In both populations never married women score higher on psychosocial hassles than the other groups. The difference between married with children and married without is very small in terms of SDs in both populations.
Women of all categories (married, unmarried, kids, no kids) have fewer psychosocial hassles in the Amish population. There's no indication that having kids actually changes psychosocial hassles in either population.
Maybe if the psychosocial hassle score increased for genpop women with children vs genpop childless women you'd have something, but as is you're just grasping at straws to support a conclusion you really want to believe in.
sarker
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19hr ago
I’m extrapolating because she’s your n=1, or within your n=5. How else can I respond to your sample?
No, you're engaging in Bulverism. You assume that I'm wrong and work back to reasons why.
Yes. But not every moment of it. But that are major moments of relaxation.
That's rather a weaker claim. Almost everything has moments of relaxation. Even the most stressful job you can imagine probably has coffee breaks.
But not if you’re multitasking two huge stressors
You wouldn't know this since you've never raised a child, but raising a child does in fact involve multitasking a bunch of stressors. This is all squared with multiple children. Again, I strongly recommend you raise a child before forming opinions about what it is like.
There’s only one other way to gain wisdom about this without reading: going around conducting polls. I have not gone around conducting polls in these communities. There’s not another way, as far as I know. Not one that’s reliable.
In fact, there is a way to acquire true knowledge about the world without symbolic manipulation, and that's by gaining firsthand experience.
When you say that she isn’t stressed, you mean that she isn’t stressed generally speaking.
Why, no, that's not what I mean.
She wasn’t given any sort of role model relevant to the domain of motherhood, the chief domain of her existence.
It may surprise you that it is in fact the case that you're mistaken about several of your "no true Scotsmen" assertions about the conditions necessary for a mother to find children relaxing in the context of my wife. It's not your fault, since you don't know her - but one wonders what possesses a man to invent stories about another man's wife.
I’m assuming that you understand that people are comfortable doing tasks which have been reinforced and tasks which they have been trained to do.
Comfort isn't the question here. I'm perfectly comfortable doing my job for which I have extensive training. Nevertheless, it is exhausting.
I’m assuming that you can understand how the study would debunk the claim that motherhood is stressful (the population with tons of children is much less stressed than the one with very few).
I hope I don't have to explain why you can't compare Amish vs genpop stress and conclude that motherhood isn't stressful. Instead, I'll pretend you reiterated my point about the small gap in stress between married women and married women with children in both groups. I'll go ahead and reiterate what I already said in response to that point, which is that you can find something meaningful, fulfilling, and also utterly exhausting. I also couldn't immediately tell what goes into the hassle assessment, so it's unclear to what extent it even measures what you think it measures.
I'm genuinely puzzled that you don't understand this point. I'm my last post, I assumed that you had worked a job that you doing fulfilling at some point. Am I mistaken on this? Have you never done that? Generally speaking, have you ever done something hard, taxing, exhausting, yet absolutely worth doing?
Has a mother ever told you that raising (especially small) children is relaxing?
I can't help but feel as if your knowledge of childrearing, but also of women's attitudes towards it are entirely symbolic, in the sense that you derive this knowledge entirely from reading words on a screen. Am I correct in this assessment or does the rubber meet the road somewhere?
sarker
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1d ago
In the Amish sample, 19% have no children and the rest have children. 33% have between 6 and 21 children. In the general pop, 28% have no children. (That’s going by “number of pregnancies” as a proxy for children). It’s important to learn how to read a simple data table if, in the same reply, you tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Apologies, I misstated this.
Psychosocial Hassles Scale, married with children Amish are happier than never married general population women.
Sure, but that's a weird comparison. In both populations never married women score higher on psychosocial hassles than the other groups. The difference between married with children and married without is very small in terms of SDs in both populations.
None of this helps us answer the original question - do women find children relaxing or not?
So in regards to the n=1, she might be stressed around her children because she never learned the skills of motherhood during her formative years of adolescent cognition.
I again repeat that my wife is not a stressed woman.
She, and several of the other mothers I've talked to who have children, also have younger siblings and participated in raising them.
Because the important question is whether women would be happier being a at home with kids in a culture which prepares them for this role, versus our current culture which promotes almost the exact opposite values and skills (sedentary studying, avaricious competition, &tc).
There's a lot of nuance here that you're missing, likely due to your inexperience with family life.
Women generally enjoy raising children, no doubt about it. That's why they have them, and often have more after having one.
Women would be happier at home with young kids assuming that the income they give up makes little marginal difference in the household's consumption habits. That's why high income husbands have wives most likely to stay home. If staying home is too much of a lifestyle downgrade, women prefer to work to maintain their lifestyle.
Once the youngest children are in school, a SAHM's life changes significantly and they have a tremendous amount of free time open up. They often go into part time or volunteering work because sitting alone at home for 7 hours a day with nothing to do is not very fun. Among the rich, this often manifests in nonprofit board membership. There's little appetite for being a SAHM for when the youngest is 13 and mostly wants to hang out with their friends.
None of this indicates anything about whether women find raising children relaxing. There's a lot of things in life that are meaningful and worthwhile that are not relaxing, and are actually in fact quite exhausting. If you've ever had a job you've found meaningful, you should already understand this. If you ever raise (especially young) children, you will understand this infinitely more.
Your arguments about this inevitably end up in a gish gallop of unfalsifiable no true Scotsmen (the women find children exhausting because they've been brainwashed! Or because they weren't raised right! Or it was generational trauma from their mothers!). This is fundamentally rooted in lack of experience with real family dynamics. Internet forums cannot replace this. It's bizarre to be one of the biggest tradposters on the forum when you don't lead a trad life and seem to mostly know the trad life based on looking at Amish people and discord.
I encourage you to remedy this.
I don’t think your n=1 wife who likely works has any relevance here.
My wife hasn't worked the entire time we've had children, and I've talked to other women who have had children and worked or didn't work at different times of their kids' lives. My wife is also not a stressed woman, which is not to say that she finds kids "relaxing".
My point is that if you've literally never raised a child and get your view on what it's like, and what women think of it, from discord and other Internet forums, you basically have no idea what you're talking about. It is, quite simply, one of those human experiences that you have no access to without going through it yourself.
I am curious - have you actually discussed whether or not children are relaxing IRL with a flesh and blood woman? Even your mother?
Here is n=288 showing that sahm culture produces 1/4th the amount of “feeling overloaded” as girlboss culture and 1/10th the depressive on a symptoms scale.
That's really not what this is comparing.
The groups are Amish women vs non-Amish women, so there's already a lot of differences between the groups besides "works" or "sahm".
Only a minority of both samples (19% Amish, 28% genpop) are mothers. So most of the comparison here is between women without children, rather than SAHMs vs working mothers.
28% of the Amish women work, and 75% of the non-Amish women work - so this isn't even comparing "Amish SAHM" vs "non-Amish working mothers".
Given that this is mostly a comparison of unemployed childless women vs employed childless women, I'm hardly surprised the first group is less overloaded than the second. Especially since the Amish are generally okay with using washing machines - the work of running the household without any kids is just not that much.
sarker
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1d ago
Okay, no wife, no kids. That explains a lot.
Can a woman pause her work when she gets tired of it? Do you think SAHMs play “excel simulator” to relax?
What does this have to do with anything? Did anyone make the ludicrous claim that work is relaxing?
Preferences are revealed.
Pal, I don't know if you want to go down the revealed preferences route given the revealed preferences women apparently have around marriage and number of children. Your whole argument revolves around how women would be happier if they did something other than they do - i.e. a denial of the validity of the revealed preferences.
sarker
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2d ago
I upgraded from grinding at the grocery store to a chinesium kingrinder k2 burr grinder which seems pretty good to my unsophisticated palate. It's not motorized, but I don't find that to be a huge deal.
sarker
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2d ago
I've seen this manifest as "girlfriend" vs "partner" but I have yet to see "committed but unlabeled" and "girlfriend".
sarker
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2d ago
It would seem that women and men have very similar performance in Olympic shooting, which has got to be pretty coordination loaded. I'm not convinced that there's much of a gap after all. Esports gaps are easily attributed to the well known gender autism gap.
sarker
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2d ago
She said yes, but then a few days later said she thought we were moving too fast and requested we go back to just seeing each other (albeit exclusively).
Do Zoomers Really? What is the difference between seeing someone exclusively and a gf?
sarker
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2d ago
Women are relaxed around children.
You don't actually have a wife and kids, do you?
When women want to relax they often play a simulation game of nurturing people and doing chores (Stardew, Animal Crossing, SIMs).
Notably, these games can be paused when you get tired of them.
sarker
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2d ago
Women also get btfo'd in hand-eye coordination contests
What is the gap here in comparison to e.g. the grip strength gap?
sarker
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2d ago
It's just inherently funny to see someone trying to maxx a trait get mogged by someone who isn't trying. Has nothing to do with whether or not he claims to be the most attractive man on the planet or not.
That's an interesting fact, but I don't see why it wouldn't show up in unemployment/underemployment figures. If fewer people are going into CS when there's a glut of workers and unemployment is stable... Seems everything is working as intended?
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