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Both seem to be intelligent people with some sociopathic traits.
Spencer will probably be more successful without social media and his politics.
Tate would be less successful, but he was successful before social media, albeit he used cam whores, or allegedly might have engaged in illegal activity as a pimp.
They would likely be successful, for a time, in various systems too, but also might get in trouble by overstepping legal and moral boundaries.
How can you separate "just hating on them incredibly uncharitably" from simply noticing the stupidity of their arguments?
Are they? I've listened to an uncomfortable amount of Richard Spencer speaking, and haven't been able to avoid almost as much Andrew Tate (and this is often stuff he curates himself!). I'm not blindly "hating" them. What Spencer is doing here is just historically and philosophically illiterate, and it does seem comparable to what other very online people like Andrew Tate sell.
I don't agree with Spencer's viewpoint, although I don't agree with the destroy nations, or european nations ideology. I am more team ethnopluralism than team one ethnic group dominating the others.
Tate, makes some true and astute observations that trigger people, and also says dumb stuff, and promotes also exaggerations in the semi ironic, just joking, but am I really, way. For the dumb and later parts of Tate's rhetoric, being annoyed is understandable. He also has this sketchy history and it is understandable to gain dislikes from that.
You can disagree with them, and even dislike them, but obviously that doesn't make them stupid.
Also, stupid philosophy, =/ underperforming idiot, fortunately or unfortunately.
Both the way they talk, their notoriety, and accomplishments, don't show them to be the underperformers you label them as because you dislike their views. Spencer was an editor IIRC before his notoriety too.
And why is their success with social media, not something that demonstrates some ability? For Tate especially. Being charismatic is a helpful trait for success, and just like it and other behaviors helped him with social media, it might have helped elsewhere. Or he could take advantage of the same idea of trying to cultivate a following, in other instances.
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