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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 1, 2024

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Would you send your child on an exchange trip to live with the American black, like you might to Finland? OK, realistically you wouldn't torture your child with a language that isn't even Indo-European and the freezing cold. But my point stands - there are significant differences. Do you want to swap everyone in your community for Finns or US blacks?

If race is such a non-issue, why do Americans tend to cluster up so much? The Bronx used to be renowned for how boring and peaceful it was, back when it was predominantly 'ethnic' white. People were leaving their doors open at night for fresh air. Then blacks moved in, whites moved out. Crime shot up. People were burning down houses to get the insurance - not a conventional business strategy. Same thing happened in Detroit, in certain parts of Chicago.

In Australia we have the exact same thing with our local indigenous population. Sky-high rates of violence, poverty, drug addiction (petrol can be a drug if you really try) and welfare use. Right now we're having this drama over a youth curfew in Alice Springs, where the usual suspects are complaining that it doesn't fix the structural problems. They're right - the youths switched to being violent in the suburbs in a perfect display of incentives. Meanwhile the local police are getting reamed for having a mock awards ceremony where they gave out 'Coon of the year award' awarded to the 'person who has displayed outstanding lack of excellence in the area of personal hygiene or feral behaviour' and presented the winner with a club captured from some patrol. They can tell, they just know that there are significant differences between black and white. They're taught not to do this, they have incentives not to do this but they can't resist what their own eyes, ears and noses tell them.

I don't want to send my child to a school full of Chinese kids because they'll probably torture him with excessive homework and academic competitiveness. With blacks, the torture can be more literal. You can read 'Letter from a Mom About School' for an example:

The assault on the school bus was so horrifying for her that she literally soiled herself in fear. She dared to tell a group of black kids on the bus to stop hitting a younger white child in the head and to leave him alone. For that, she was attacked, taken down to the floor of the bus, and stomped on.

She had a footprint on her forehead and when I took her to the urgent care, she had a sprained neck and was covered in bruises. When I took the medical records and photos taken by the doctor to the school and demanded that something be done, I was told that because an ambulance was not needed, it was not considered an assault.

I asked my daughter what the bus driver did while all this was going on, and she said nothing. When I contacted the school, I was told that the bus driver (who was black) had not reported the attack.

The result of the school’s investigation was to subsequently suspend my daughter for the same amount of days as the perpetrators because one of them had a scratch on his leg (where she tried to get away from the attack.)

It goes on and on, Colin Flaherty writes books of this stuff. Crime statistics are made of this stuff. A casual glance at certain cities and countries tells us this stuff. Some populations are just not suited to civilization, just as others are.

In Australia we have the exact same thing with our local indigenous population.

Don’t that indigenous population, much like indigenous Anglos in England, have a right to ‘their’ homeland per Johnson, though? After all, according to the OP, he says:

First, your rights are not obligations. A right is simply an option that you can choose to exercise or not. The obligation pertains to others, who are obliged to get out of your way.

So, do white Australians have to “get out of the way” of natives? The indigeneity ethnat argument isn’t really compatible with settler colonies. The better argument is the Churchillian one, which explicitly allows the natural right of conquest with reference to settler colonies. The problem for ethnonationalists is that it means that their right is not intrinsic, and that if they lose their defeat was probably just.

For example, Jews believed they had a ‘right’ (and destiny) to eventually reclaim Jerusalem for 2,000 years. But it was ultimately material reality that ensured it happened. Of course the Israelis today have a “right” to an ethnostate, but it is a temporal right built on economics, military strength and the relationships built by the Jewish diaspora over centuries, not one based on the claim in the book.

What is the usual (imagined, of course) response to the aboriginal man who demands all non-natives leave Australia? “Well come and take it mate, and if you win it’s yours”, at least if my more conservative Australian acquaintances are to be believed. The police officers can notice, but they also notice that Johnson is incorrect, there is no right to an ethnostate, only the ability to impose one with sufficient credibility and authority.

Lastly, Australian aboriginals aren’t black and are highly genetically and phenotypically distinct from both African and European populations; Africans and Europeans are much more genetically close than either population is to indigenous Australians and Papuans.

Lastly, Australian aboriginals aren’t black and are highly genetically and phenotypically distinct from both African and European populations; Africans and Europeans are much more genetically close than either population is to indigenous Australians and Papuans.

My understanding is that it's close. Yes, there's Denisovan admixture in Aboriginals (previously I thought that that was also in East Asians and thus ruled out as relevant, but I checked in response to this and there's far less of it in Asians), but (sub-Saharan) Africans don't have Neanderthal admixture and have much-longer isolation as far as the H.s.s. part goes.

The Khoisan are likely still more genetically isolated depending on source, but the majority of sub-Saharan Africans aren’t.

Don’t that indigenous population, much like indigenous Anglos in England, have a right to ‘their’ homeland per Johnson, though?

I think he says yes?

But I am also willing to cheer on less optimal forms of ethnonationalism, even petty, chauvinistic, and Left-wing ethnonationalisms, especially if they take the form of separatist movements trying to break up multiethnic states.

It doesn't really make sense either, as you say. Weapons > rights. Rather like the NAP, isn't it! What good is a principle if an armed band come over with the intent of taking all your stuff? You need your own armed band: professional soldiers and a state apparatus to smooth things out.

Would you send your child on an exchange trip to live with the American black, like you might to Finland? OK, realistically you wouldn't torture your child with a language that isn't even Indo-European and the freezing cold.

TBF most of us would probably just talk to him in English all the time, and if the exchange happened in the summer, it wouldn't be that cold. ("The Finnish summer is short but comparatively snowless", as the local joke goes.)

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