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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 18, 2024

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I wonder if this turns out to be good electoral politics or not. Abortion compromises always strike me as a trust question. What line you draw is just the first step in the game, the far more important question is do I trust you not to take more?

Medical exceptions are often non-starters for Pro-Life activists because they don't trust doctors to draw the line narrowly as to what is an acceptable exception. They are fine, conceptually, with an abortion to actually save the life of the mother, but they worry that medical exceptions will be expanded to the point where it becomes a rubber stamp allowing an abortion wherever requested, regardless of any actual risk to the life of any actual mother. Equally rape, what's to stop any woman from claiming she was raped to abort a child she doesn't want? Because, in all honesty, requiring a conviction before an abortion is so stupid that I don't think anyone can get behind it.

Pro-Abortion types won't trust Republican admin teams to not try and restrict abortion further once they get their foot in the door.

Trump has the advantage that his base trusts him to an absurd extent, probably more than anyone has trusted any American politicians since, what JFK? So even if Pro-Lifers oppose this compromise, they're more likely to turn out and vote for him anyway figuring he won't do it. But will this stop the bleeding among people who are pro-Abortion? Do they trust Trump to pursue a limited compromise?

Equally rape, what's to stop any woman from claiming she was raped to abort a child she doesn't want? Because, in all honesty, requiring a conviction before an abortion is so stupid that I don't think anyone can get behind it.

You don’t need to require conviction, just an accusation to the police. Most supposed rape victims aren’t even willing to do that, which makes their claims slightly suspicious.

"I was raped by a stranger entering my home last night. He wore a ski mask, put a bag over my head immediately, was approximately average height and build."

Does she get the abortion?

Sure, and the police should be able to use the DNA to track down the supposed rapist. If it turns out she lied, then she can face the legal consequences for filing a false police report. Looks like up to a year in prison in my state, plus whatever additional penalty she may face for getting an illegal abortion.

Ok, so I'm dating my girlfriend, she gets raped, gets pregnant. Do I have to hazard the odds that I'm raising the rapist baby at risk of sending my girlfriend to prison?

In a certain sense, yes, but only insofar as our legal system isn’t perfect. You also have to hazard the odds that your girlfriend will die from complications arising out of the abortion.

Edit: Of course, even should she choose not to abort the baby, there’s nothing forcing her (or you) to raise it. Adoptions are a thing.

But will this stop the bleeding among people who are pro-Abortion? Do they trust Trump to pursue a limited compromise?

Re-phrased slightly: Will people who are pro-abortion trust the guy who appointed three of the Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe? I'm thinking the answer is no.

Trump doesn't have to persuade blue abortion voters who were never going to vote for him, he just has to avoid alienating voters who might vote for him but like abortion. This is probably actually a lesson the GOP could learn from Trump.

Sure, big is the target population here? My impression is this only works for people who think (1) Roe was too permissive on abortion and (2) many Republican proposals are too strict. Not sure how many people that describes.

Pro-Abortion types won't trust Republican admin teams to not try and restrict abortion further once they get their foot in the door.

I'll toss in another one - I don't trust pro-choice hospital attorneys to not just lie about what they think the medical exemption constitutes in order to make their opponents look bad for political reasons. If this sounds unbelievably evil, I am willing to bite that bullet when it comes to my opinion of hospital attorneys.

But yeah, I concur, the chances of getting anyone even slightly to the left of center to trust Trump is very low, and they're not even wrong to think he's a flimflam man that'll say whatever he thinks is popular.