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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 14, 2024

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So to loop it back, I said my theory for why Giuliani sandbagged his trial is because he didn't have the evidence he claimed he had. You claimed this was an unreasonable position to hold, but now you're saying that you don't know what evidence Giuliani had? If he hasn't released his evidence outside of court, do you still think it's unreasonable to think the man has been lying about that? At what point would you be willing to accept that explanation?

You keep trying to change the subject back to Giuliani. Nothing I have said about the election is dependent on Giuliani doing anything or not doing anything, having evidence or not having evidence. You're just pounding on the table.

You are ALSO trying to beg the question with "Giuliani sandbagged his trial"; I claim he did not and was railroaded. But this is a separate issue.

I only brought up Giuliani because he was the one who broke the story, and who made the most confident pronouncements about the election workers involved, and who claimed to have a bunch of evidence to prove his allegations. I posit if the claims about "pulling out suitcases of Biden ballots and scanning them multiple times" were true, he was the best positioned to prove them.

Giuliani did not break the story. The story was reported on social media in real time.

I do not know if they pulled out suitcases of Biden ballots and scanned them multiple times. I do know they claimed there was a water main leak (which there was not), the poll observers left, they came back (without the observers), pulled out suitcases of ballots, and counted them.

The facts you describe are indeed what is broadly accepted happened, but it's misleading for you to characterize this as "the sequence of events described by the crazy conspiracy theorists in Georgia" without mentioning the components that render this a remarkable sequence of events for the conspiracy theorists: that they created a ruse to send observers home so that they could pull suitcases full of Biden ballots and scan them multiple times without the observers present.

No, before the videos came out demonstrating that the sequence of events I described actually happened, just saying that it happened was considered crazy conspiracy theory.

That's equivalent to saying "the cops planted evidence on him, but how do you know he wasn't guilty anyway?" If the procedure is so messed up that someone can't prove his innocence, you should default to assuming that he's innocent, not to assuming that he's guilty.

That metaphor doesn't make sense because I don't know what innocent/guilty is supposed to map to for Giuliani. I'm saying that Giuliani is lying when he claims to have evidence, and whether or not his court procedure was messed up (citation needed) doesn't affect his ability to release his purported evidence outside of court. There's no reason for me to default to assuming he's telling the truth.

What good would it do him to release his evidence out of court? He has no motivation to help people win themotte arguments.

I would assume if you're sitting on bombshell evidence of election fraud you'd want to do something about it, but that's just me.

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