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bolido_sentimental  2yr ago (text post)   3920 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for September 25, 2022

Do you have a dumb question that you're kind of embarrassed to ask in the main thread? Is there something you're just not sure about?

This is your opportunity to ask questions. No question too simple or too silly.

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Posted because I didn't see Zorba post one today. Feel free to delete if that's an issue.

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It's one of these internal contradiction of the modern zeitgeist. I'm supposed to feel bad about my eyes darting to the nearest set of exposed boobs, because that's objectification, I'm supposed to be for abortion, because women aren't baby factories, but literally renting a woman to produce a child, and sell it to me is a-ok?

My opinion probably isn't representative of a typical pro-family person, but to answer your question: it's ok for 2 lesbians to have a baby. It's even ok for 2 gay men to have a baby. As long as the mother/father is still included in the child's life. It's the "selling a live child" part triggers the reaction of pure horror in me.

I'm not really sure what boobs have to do with anything, but yes, it's entirely consistent to be pro-choice and pro-surrogacy since both stances allow women to choose what to do with their bodies.

It sounds like your objection is the exchange of money for these services (assuming you think adoption is ok)? This seems similar to the objection many have to allowing people to sell their organs. It's an intuition I personally can't relate to, but there are legitimate arguments about the ethics of the practice.

I'm not really sure what boobs have to do with anything, but yes, it's entirely consistent to be pro-choice and pro-surrogacy since both stances allow women to choose what to do with their bodies.

Yeah, the contradiction is between surrogacy and the justification for staring at boobs being wrong, and abortion being right (so "objectification" and "women aren't baby factories"). Not between surrogacy and these things in themselves.

(assuming you think adoption is ok)

Only if the payment is a "service processing fee", and not an income for the primary caregiver. Even then I'm sure there's plenty of actually happening situations I would find horrifying, but I hoping they're not a central example of adoption.

This seems similar to the objection many have to allowing people to sell their organs.

Not exactly. I could sign on to organ trading, if it weren't for the second-order effects (the poor becoming organ farms for the rich). Surrogacy is something I find unacceptable no matter what.

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