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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 25, 2023

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It's extremely interesting how your go-to response to any claim you dislike is to demand evidence, or else discard it as invalid, but have no issues with divining the true motives of people you never even debated on the subject.

If you really know what is the point of bringing up attacks on Romney, even if you don't like him, it's to argue against the claim that attacks on someone more populist are justified. Any Republican will always be literally Hitler.

I have evidence, because I have been on here a while, and just as there are some commenters here who clearly have issues with Jews, there are some who have issues with blacks. Not all, nor even a majority, but some.

And, for the record, I demand evidence for claims that I like. I am not a fan of Justice Alito's jurisprudence, and so it would be great to dismiss him as a "partisan hack," but alas I can't, without evidence. Do you form your beliefs in a different manner?

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I have evidence, because I have been on here a while, and just as there are some commenters here who clearly have issues with Jews, there are some who have issues with blacks. Not all, nor even a majority, but some.

Normally I wouldn't do it, since I find these sort of requests disingenuous, but since you insist the above is a valid approach, can you please link the evidence that the same people objecting to how Romney was treated are the same people who have expressed a problem with black people?

And, for the record, I demand evidence for claims that I like. I am not a fan of Justice Alito's jurisprudence, and so it would be great to dismiss him as a "partisan hack," but alas I can't, without evidence

That doesn't mean your demands for rigor is in any way balanced.

Do you form your beliefs in a different manner?

Of course, evidence is just one of the factors that shapes my beliefs. I think very few people base their beliefs solely on evidence, nor do I think it's healthy to do so.

  • I think very few people base their beliefs solely on evidence, nor do I think it's healthy to do so.

Perhaps, that is a red herring. The issue is whether it is unhealthy to base belefs on a complete lack of evidence, or on things that purport to be evidence, but are not.

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I don't think I every met anyone who did the former, and practically everyone is guilty of the other to some extent or another. Arguable the latter is even a good reason to not base your beliefs solely on evidence.

and practically everyone is guilty of the other to some extent or another

That doesn't make it ok, and the proper response when someone points out that one has fallen victim thereto is thanks.

So how come you haven't thanked me for pointing out what you considered to be evidence that some of the people complaining about Romney's treatment actually have a problem with Obama's skin color, is not evidence of that?

Because that is not what you said, and if you meant to imply that, you are mistaken; as I explained, there is indeed evidence for my statement. That does not, of course, mean that the statement is necessarily correct. But it is consistent with the evidence.

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Then produce the freakin' evidence. I'm one of the "most of the people complaining" about how Romney was treated by both traditional and social media, and thus you are including me in the set of those who "are more concerned about who he was running against. And for some of those people, more specifically the race of that person".

So if you're going to imply, intimate, or otherwise Hint Darkly that I'm anti-Obama, anti-Obama because he is black, and anti-black people hence a racist, I want Your. Goddamn. Evidence. Clear. And. Plain.

If you're backing out because you don't want to name names such as "X, Y and Z have expressed racist opinions", then you are well aware you are breaking forum rules. If you're backing out because you have no names, just 'my general impression of this site', then buzz on over to Sneerclub if that place is still up and running.

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Ah, well then, perhaps whatever you consider to be not evidence is indeed evidence!