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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 18, 2023

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There may be fairies at the bottom of my garden, but I'm the one who has to scrub the bathroom.

If you have fairies at the bottom of your garden then you should pretty quickly realize that you never need to work again. Everything can be monetized. The fact real aliens haven’t been I’d the biggest evidence they don’t exist.

Everything can be monetized.

Yeah, they tried that back in the day and some prominent names ended up with a lot of egg on their faces 😁

"Undeniable real photographic evidence" which, to modern eyes, looks so obviously fake it's astounding how anyone believed it for five seconds. I think the UFO video is the same kind of thing.

If you have fairies at the bottom of your garden then you should pretty quickly realize that you never need to work again. Everything can be monetized.

Tell me that you're Jewish without using those words. I kid, I kid.

...but at the same time, I am experiencing a bit of a cognitive disconnect here. How does the existence (or nonexistence) of fairies relate to the bathroom needing to be cleaned? Also, how do you know that we haven't been monetizing the existence of aliens? ;-)

Edit: fixed link

Fairies are tiny, and afraid of iron. Few mythical creatures are easier to enslave and force to clean your bathroom than the fair folk. Then you can start pimping them out to others with dirty bathrooms and watch the money roll in.