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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 11, 2023

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I literally said "it's still fine to hate gays" in the next sentence, man, I'm not being subtle here.

Well, but that's my point. You're acting like a progressive's parody of a conservative.

Right, and I think whatever the harm is, it's better to have more people who can experience things (and more rolls of the dice for higher-quality people, etc)

Not everyone goes by a utilitarian "minimize harm" morality. Turning reproduction into an industry is an evil in itself, one of the greatest ones that are out there, in my opinion.

EDIT: Sorry I must have missed this one:

The point is even then, the right response isn't "prevent harm".

I mean, you are still using a utilitarian cost-benefit analysis. You're saying it's worth to roll the dice on the harm, because the expected benefits are greater. My point is that industrializing a fundamental human experience like birth is already wrong in itself, and arguing in favor of it with "we might get a few more von Neumans" doesn't work on a fundamental level.