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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 27, 2023

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I would agree that when it comes to violence generally you are correct. But the kind of situation where a stranger is sought out is far outside the normal levels of impulsive or standard criminal violence that is most male on male violence.

The problem here is that you're alternating between being strategically generic, and strategically specific. You're saying that we shouldn't apply statistics from generic criminal violence to the harm that can result from doxxing, because that is different type of scenario, but at the same time you're saying we should apply statistics from stalking, although it's far from clear to me that showing up to someone because an influence you followed doxxed them is the same type of behavior as stalking typically dealt with by the police.

So to try and work in your terms (though I maintain this is not how people think generally), if you demonstrated that, risk VWXYZ for me is lower than VWXYZ for my wife.

But this already concedes your original statement is false. Originally you said:

Hmm, if we take as granted that doxxing increases the risk of some physical altercation taking place (even if by some tiny percent) and if we take as granted that the average woman is physically weaker than the average man, then I think it is probably true that doxxing poses more of a physical risk to women than men.

That's not VWXYZ, that's Z and something you completely dropped here - "if we take as granted that doxxing increases the risk of some physical altercation taking place", let's call it A. Z is not controversial, A is at least plausible, so I can grant it. But in the last comment you replaced it with VW. They're not the same thing because A is a statement about an increase from a baseline, while VW are statement about the resulting level of risk, which we then compare between men and women. Doxxing can result in A with VW(men) > VW(women) still being true. XY was not part of your original argument at all, and I do not grant them.

All I'm saying is:

  • AZ != VWXYZ
  • VWXY requires backing evidence, either from you or the NYT.

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